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Title: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Karazenpo on March 06, 2003, 10:01:41 AM
        PROFESSOR WALTER L.N. GODIN, 1937-2001


Following is a letter from Professor Eugene Sedeño, Sifu Michael Cataline's teacher, on the death of Professor Walter L.N. Godin:

On August 7, 2001 Professor Walter L.N. Godin passed away in Hawaii. Professor Godin was my first and long-time Kajukenbo teacher in Kaimuki and I will miss him.

Walter Leo Niakala Godin

March 21, 1937 to August 7, 2001

Born and raised on Richard Lane in the rough and tough town known as Kalihi, he had to fight almost every day, because he was going to the private school known as Kamehemeha and not Kalakaua. Godin's father, a Frenchman, taught him the art of Savate (French style kick boxing) at a young age. Godin, being the kid from Kalihi that he was, figured that his father was trying to teach him something that he had already learned in the streets. It was known as "shoe job".

In 1949, at the age of 12, his dad enrolled him in Judo to study under instructor "Rubber Man" Migami. In the 50's, Godin enrolled himself in the Kajukenbo Self-Defense Institute and began his Kenpo Training under Professor Adriano D. Emperado and his brother Joe Emperado. In the 60's, he flew to Los Angeles to teach martial arts with his brother-in-law Victor "Sonny" Gascon. Together, they founded Karazenpo-Go-Shinjutsu, which is presently taught worldwide.

He also spent some time in the Johnson Islands and trained every day for a year and a half with his very good friend "Brother" Abe Kamahoahoa. Increasing his personal knowledge of Martial Arts, he learned the deadly art of Lua from his friend Abe. Lua is a Hawaiian Martial Art that was designed for only one thing, total destruction. It was used only in Hawaiian war fighting and can cause loss of limbs, permanent crippling, mutilation, or disfigurement of the body. Brother Abe told Godin that he was not allowed to teach his art of Lua to anyone but his Ohana.

In the 70's, Aikido black belts Elaine and Shige Kurosawa introduced Godin to the Aikido Master, Koichi Tohei sensei, who then taught Godin the art of "Ki",  which originates in the lower abdomen, Seika-no-itten, and Misogi, a breathing method.

Walter L.N. Godin, the founder of Keiki Martial Arts of Hawaii and Godin's School of Self Defense, went back to his roots by teaching at Palama Settlement, where he still was running and teaching classes at the time of his death.  The Palama Settlement is where Sijo Adriano D. Emperado introduced the brutally effective Kajukenbo system in 1950 to the public  in a "closed door" training program. The training that took place there is legendary.

In 1973, on December 16th, Grand Master William K.S. Chow handed down his Professorship with a 10th degree diploma and his blessings to Godin with Professor Frank Ordonez to witness this event. Godin was working on publishing a book on his life with Joe Emperado, "The Untold Story".
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Kar
Post by: Sifu Mike on March 09, 2003, 05:29:42 AM
I am looking for the book called "Kajukenbo My Roots" The Untold story of Professor Walter Godin. I read a story about Prof. Godin in a artical in "Fighting Arts Hawaii" and they mention the book. If you could help me out and email me where I can obtain a copy please let me know.
Mahalo  
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Kar
Post by: Karazenpo on March 09, 2003, 06:12:34 AM
Hello Sifu Mike and welcome to the forum. I don't know where you can get that book but I will ask Sigung Bishop, hopefully he will.   Shihan Joe
        
PS: I attempted to check a few sources for you on my own in my attempt, I found a more recent bio on Professor Godin that mentions the book was in the works when he passed away. I have now replaced the 1994 bio I had with updated version.                         
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Kar
Post by: John Hackleman on March 09, 2003, 01:49:17 PM
Prof Godin's liniage is the strongest...it precedes The Pit, one of the most most successful producers, and trainers of MMA/UFC fighters in the world today.  Godin was a great leader, and motivator, and The Pit Fighters all pay homage to him regularly.

John Hackleman, Chuck Liddell, Gan McGee, Tim Kennedy, Matt Lindland, Cecil Peoples, are all fighters who owe a large part of their success to Prof. walter Godin.
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Kar
Post by: Karazenpo on March 10, 2003, 06:03:06 AM
 I met Professor Godin at Virginia Beach in, I believe, 1994. Sijos Gascon & Godin were honored guests at the Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu school of Sifu Bruce Corrigan. I stayed about five days. We trained and "partied", too. Both were unforgetable experiences.
  I remember a small group of us accompanied by the Professor visited the boardwalk. We were in this shop that had all kinds of wierd hats and clothing and Professor Godin was trying different shirts & hats on, driving the shopkeeper "nuts"! It was a riot. We had a blast!
  Later, the Professor told us a story about Sijo Gascon's reputation in Hawaii. He told us that when he was a blue belt, he was with his girlfriend who was Sijo's sister (and later his wife). They were about to cross the street when a  gang of thugs who had a bad reputation in the area started, as they say, "catcalling" them and making disparaging remarks. Professor Godin said he was thinking that he was only a blue belt and these guys were "bad" but he had to defend their honor. So he was ready. As the group approached them, one of the gang members looked at the young lady and said to the others, "Hey! that's Sonny Gascon's sister!"  "Let's get out of here!" (ofcouse the language was a little more "colorful" than that, lol) and they all took off!      
                        
                                 Respectfully submitted, Shihan Joe
  
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Kar
Post by: Karazenpo on March 12, 2003, 10:28:55 AM
Return message for Sifu Mike:
                      
   Sifu, I just got word from Professor Eugene Sedeno that the final arrangements on the book and its publication are still in the works, so its not out yet. As soon as he hears, he will let me know and I will post it. Thank you.
                                           Shihan Joe Shuras
          
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 09, 2003, 06:54:35 PM
I am proud to be part of Professor Walter Godin's lineage and enjoyed reading the posted stories. Here's a short story he told me back in 2000:

While in California during the late 1950's, Godin frequently visited Grandmaster Ed Parker’s school in Pasadena to work out. It was within a couple of blocks from the Karazenpo school that he and his brother-in-law Sijo Sonny Gascon ran.

Godin was a fast and viscious fighter. One of his frequent sparring partners was Elvis Presley. Godin was so fast that he had to slow down and go easy with the young King of Rock and Roll. Although Parker had a lot of respect for Godin, Godin was asked not to attend any of Parker's tournaments for fear that his tough sparring techniques would create too rough of an environment and things would get out of hand.
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 11, 2003, 01:13:06 AM
Mr. Evans,

If possible, please post some information in regards to Chinese Kempo Karate's (Godin's lineage) curriculum. i.e...Kata, Techniques...

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 22, 2003, 02:01:55 PM
Response to Mr. Teymouraz question about Godin's Curriculum:

Professor Walter Godin was the personal bodyguard and chief instructor of Sijo Adriano Emperado. When Godin left KSDI to do his own thing, he continued to focus on streetfighting but wanted to add more fluidity while keeping his art dangerous. Godin added soft but brutal techniques to Sijo's original hard style of Kajukenbo. These "soft" techniques include eye pokes, monkey hands, rakes, and tiger claws.

Much of Godin's curriculum was developed when he and his brother-in-law, Sijo Victor "Sonny" Gascon, founded Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu. I also believe more "soft" Chinese techniques were added when Godin went back to train with Professor William Chow, who was Sijo's instructor. Throughout his life, Godin trained a lot of champion kickboxers. Thus his material also reflects a boxing influence and tends to keep the hands up as opposed to the tradional position.

A lot of Godin's forms are derived from Sijo's Original Kajukenbo. For example, Godin's Chinese Kempo Kata 1 is a highly modified combination of Palama Set 1 and 6. His self-defense combinations also have a good mix of soft and hard techniques. A soft brush block followed by a hard punch to groin, then a rake to the eyes, followed by an elbow would be an example of a defense to a punch.

As for weapon forms, Godin did not focus on those. Upon being asked why, he simply told a student that all one has to do is just grab a traditional streetfighting weapon like a gun, knife, or
baseball bat.

I hope this anwers your question. If any of the above is incorrect, I apologize and ask for any corrections/additions to be posted.

Respectfully submitted,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on July 22, 2003, 03:41:28 PM
Mr. Evans:
I don't know how familiar you are with the "Original Method" of Kajukenbo, but the techniques you described are all in the original method.  In fact the first 4 punch counters start with a soft brush block, and eye pokes, rakes, and elbow techniques are present in many of the original method techniques.  
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 22, 2003, 04:37:40 PM
Sigung Bishop,

I apologize for being unclear. Yes, Kajukenbo has a variety of techniques including the soft techniques I mentioned. What I was trying to express was that Professor Godin's curriculum had more soft techniques incorporated than the Kajukenbo he learned from Sijo. Also, I believe Godin's stances were not as deep as the original method. I notice these differences in the forms more than in the self-defense combinations.

This is based on my limited observations of the late Professor Joe Halbuna's video tapes and other Kajukenbo folks that I trained with.

Thanks for helping clarify my observations.

With respect,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 22, 2003, 05:15:51 PM
Thank you Professor Scott,

I was under the impression that Professor Godin was one of Sijo Adriano Emperado's top students and trained in the original method of Kajukenbo at least until 1958. Please enlighten me with more infomation.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 23, 2003, 01:48:51 AM
Mr. Evans,

Thank you for the information. It is pretty much in line with what I have been told. I have kept the Kata (1-5) of Godin/Gascon in the curriculum I teach. They provide a good foundation and teach simple self defense techniques.

I was also under the impression that Messers Godin and Gascon were black belt holders of Sijo Emperado. But then again, I would not be so surprised if otherwise, since anything would fly in those days. I think my friend Joe Shuras knows what I am talking about!

Thanks again for taking the time to post.

Salute,  
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Mitch Powell on July 23, 2003, 09:00:08 AM
There is a relatively new magazine out of Hawaii called Hawaiian Martial arts or something similar to that, which did a story on Walter Godin just before he passed away.

Along with the story is a photo of Sijo Emperado promoting Walter Godin to black belt. The photo was provided by Godin to refute people claiming he never received his black belt from Sijo.

The picture appears to be around 1958 or 1959. Along with Sijo, the photo also includes Frank Ordonez, Mariano Tiwanak, Peter Y.Y. Choo and others.

Prof. Mitch Powell
KSDI, Vallejo
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 23, 2003, 01:08:14 PM
Mr.Scott,

Denial of rank and training has been an old issue in Kajukenbo circle. This is not the first time that a rank has been refuted. I am beginning to think there is political agenda behind it or a mere simple case of memory lapse!

Mitose's case can not be compared to a first or second generation Kajukenbo practitioner!

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Mitch Powell on July 23, 2003, 01:26:47 PM
Professor Scott,
That's the thing about the picture, you can't tell what belt is being awarded. Perhaps it's not a black belt and it's a lower belt.

Have you seen the picture? Perhaps by looking at it you can identify some clues. I know there is an American flag in it. The picture is at home ,so I don't have it to look at. I believe there were 48 stars on the flag, so that can help with the date.

When trying to identify the date of the photo, something that may also help is that there are about 7 or 8 black belts sitting along side Sijo, but  only Sijo, Mariano Tiwanak and Frank Ordonez are wearing black gi's.

Peter Choo is also in the picture in the front line with Sijo but he is wearing a white gi. What was the date when all black belts began to wear black gi's? Because this is before that time.

Also, when did Tiwanak leave the school? I thought it was around 1957 or 58. If that's the case, then the photo would be from that time frame. Unless, Tiwanak would have returned for a promotion? Then it could have been later.

I hope you can shed some light on this. As far as what Godin accomplished, no one can take that away from him. It would be great if we were all taught by the enlightened monk who has skills far superior than anyone else, but the truth is we all know guys from the street that can beat that monk to death!

Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Ram on July 24, 2003, 05:42:10 AM
Is it true that Professor Godin was part of the chuan fa branch of kajukenbo? If so, did Joe Emperado have a part in the creation of that branch or did Professor Godin just use the name because of the gung fu styles that he added in himself?
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on July 24, 2003, 09:53:10 AM
I'm not sure about Prof. Godin's involvement, (if any) with the Chuan Fa branch.  The Chuan Fa branch came about years after Joe Emperado's death.  The people involved in the development of Chuan Fa were Sijo Emperado, Grandmaster Al Delacruz, and Grandmaster Al Dacascos.
Prof. Godin was involved in the Kajukenbo Original Method, Karazempo Goshin Jitsu, and Godin's Chinese Kempo.  Contrary to what has been written by some, Prof. Godin did not start the Universal Kempo system.  Universal Kempo was developed by his student, Prof. Martin Buell.
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Karazenpo on July 24, 2003, 11:22:51 AM
   I believe too much emphasis is put on ranking these days. What is more important is whether or not one is studying a useful combat orientated system from a practical instructor. Does it really matter what these early Kajukenbo pioneers were wearing around their waists at the inception of their art? Any one of these men in question brought more reality and real-life street experience into their training and teachings in their early years then Gichen Funakoshi did in his entire lifetime. Nothing against Funakoshi, but let's face it, he was a school teacher who never got in a real fight in his life unless you want to count the 'whooping' he allegedly got from Choki Motobu. The Okinawan government awarded him a 5th dan which at that time was considered the 'pinnacle' of karate and what exactly was the government's qualifications to do so, outside of 'politics'? Besides, all his teachings were in theory only, he had no real world experience, yet, some traditionalists use him as a measuring stick to pass judgement on others. If your butt was on the line and you needed a back up, hypothetically now, would you want Walter Godin, when he was a blue belt or Gichen Funakoshi when he was a 5th dan? I don't think I have to tell you who I would have rather had on my side. Remember, martial arts is just that-MARTIAL, it was born on the battlefield as a means of survival in hand to hand combat. Our Kajukenbo forefathers taught it the same way as it was originally intended to be taught. Not for tournament, not for 'artful' purposes but pure human survival and imho, that's the bottom line! ;)  Respectfully, Shihan Joe
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 24, 2003, 12:51:25 PM
Brother Joe,

It is not the rank issue. It is the lies and exaggerations that were told to the people. I am not speaking in particular about any one person. People in their biographies write tales about their early training and sacrifices.

You always bring up Funakoshi as an example. Just because tales were not written about them, it does not mean they were bunch of sissys running around Kiaiing.
What Funakoshi accomplished can not be compared to any case that suits us!
 
If and I mean "IF", MR. Gascon and Godin were not black belts of Sijo, then they have been lying to all of us. I don't care if they could/can whoop a.s.s, they still did a disservice to their followers. You and I have talked about this before. Some of the early pioneers try to paint a bigger picture than life about their training, accomplishments and adventures.
If you or I did the same today with 30 years of verifiable experience behind each of us, we'll be laughed at by our peers.

Salute,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on July 24, 2003, 01:20:09 PM
Again, we're trying to judge people of the 50s and 60s by todays standards.
Many of the instructors of the 50s and 60s, in many differant styles started teaching before they were black belts.  It was a very common practice throughout the martial arts.  There just weren't enough black belts to fill the teaching demands.  
Look at Brazilian jujitsu in the U.S. 10 years ago.  There were only a few actual BJJ black belts in the U.S., so you had color belts opening schools and teaching.  
The early Hawaiian instructors came to the mainland looking for jobs.  They found jobs and they also opened karate schools.  In 1956, California only had 2 karate schools in the whole state (Parker's and Oshima's), and the Chinese wouldn't teach kung fu to any non-Chinese.  So people were happy to take karate lessons from a color belt.  The students grew with the instructors.  
So if someone started teaching as a color belt in 1959, and claims to have been a instructor since 1959, why would that be considered a lie?   ???
Walter Godin and Victor Gascon were both black belts, and probably did start schools when they were only color belts.  
Also, in the early years of Kajukenbo all black belts were awarded by Sijo Emperado, even though you may have trained under another instructor.  SGM Halbuna trained under Benny Mediro, but received his black belt from Sijo.  Victor Gascon trained under John Leoning, but received his black belt from Sijo.  Thats the way it was done then.  Some systems still do it that way with black belt promotions only coming from headquarters.  
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Greg Harper on July 24, 2003, 01:34:00 PM
 8)
Im not sure what is in question here ???
it has been said that you can tell an instuctors quality by his students.
John Hackleman is under Walter Godin,
and currently WKA north american Champion & ranked at #5 in the world (kickboxing)
with a record of 58-6 & 42 KNOCKOUTS
and you may of heard of one of his students,
the iceman or Chuck Liddell (UFC Champion)
Mr. Hackleman is a member of this site but as he keeps busy with attending full contact events (UFC) as well as supporting the fighter that are working the way up the ladder, he may not have seen this letter of intrest in his teacher.
if you would like i will get ahold of him so he can respond.
PS
if you were at the K.S.D.I. event in Las Vegas in July you could have seen both of these names on the Kajukenbo Family Tree.
 8)
GregHarper
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Karazenpo on July 24, 2003, 02:57:39 PM
Brother Peter, I have discovered all martial arts history of all systems have inaccuracies, embellishments and a few tall tales. Let's take Choki Motobu who defeated the "Russian boxing Champion". He was a "carnival boxer" and there is not even a record of his name, not to mention there are several different accounts of the fight with no one on the same page. Remember that karate promotional poster or flyer, whatever, that showed Funakoshi's picture in place of Motobu's posing in the high/middle guard from Heian 2 stating he was the one who beat the so-called Russian boxing champion? Maybe Funakoshi didn't have anything to do with it but he certainly didn't do anything to correct it either. ;)  How about Peter Urban's book that listed Motobu as a giant of  over 7 feet tall. He was 5' 4". The accounts of Mas Oyama killing over fifty fierce bulls was totally embellished and exagerated. We have legendary Bando kickboxing legend Dr. Maung Gyi that fabricated a complete military history making him a decorated war hero. Didn't Ed Parker state Professor Chow learned Kung Fu from his father yet no one can authenticate that his father practiced at all. Some say he was a Buddhist monk, yet could marry? We have the claims of Frank Dux & John Keehan (Count Dante), all former traditional martial artists. The list goes on. It's the martial arts! As far as Professors Gascon & Godin, they are both on Sijo Emperado's Official Kajukenbo Family Tree which would have to mean he recognized and awarded them black belts. As far as there rank in those early years I agree with Sigung Bishop, it does seem to make sense and one thing you have to admit, these men have given us systems that are still being practiced around the world today, 5 decades later! ;)
                                         Respectfully, Brother Joe
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 24, 2003, 03:14:53 PM
Professor Scott,

I only mentioned Sijo Gascon because his black belt and training was refuted as well a couple of years back. I am aware of the accomplishments of Gm. Godin and his consecutive ranks by Professor Chow.

My point is that by the time these Gentlemen moved to the mainland, Kajukenbo had an established curriculum and ranking system. In their biographies it has been said that they received their BB ranks directly or indirectly from Sijo Emperado and that they were black belts when started Karazempo shortly after they arrived in California. I am just stating what has been written about these pioneers.

If I claim to be BB now when I have only gone through blue belt training and this fact comes up 20 years from now, was I right to have claimed I was a black belt in 2003 or not?

I am just trying to make a point. Not in the case of these Gentlemen only, but in general.

Gm. Godin's accomplishments stand on their own and no one can refute that.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 24, 2003, 03:24:19 PM
Brother Joe,

We are not on the same page. I agree with much of what you say, but that is not the point I am trying to make. If Professor Chow did not learn from his father (by the way I don't believe this tale, I'll be the first to tell you), it was told to Ed Parker by himself or the Seniors of EP and that is the exact point I am trying to make. The end does not justify the means...

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Kenmpoka on July 24, 2003, 03:48:11 PM
Aloha Kenmpoka,

I understand and respect your point of view.

Mahalo,

Gerry Scott

Thank you Mr. Scott.
"Time will either promote you or expose you"

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: John Bishop on July 24, 2003, 03:54:20 PM
Looks like it's really important to hang on to your black belt certificates ;)
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Karazenpo on July 25, 2003, 12:15:59 PM
  Good point, I've kept all my certificates from every promotion I ever had including orange belt (there were no yellow belt rank when I was studying back then). Peter, I do understand what you're saying but my point being it's just the way it is. It's not a matter of right or wrong and no matter what the truth is......the bottom line is that the "end" was successful! :D  because guys like you and I, Sigung Bishop, Professor Scott, etc. wouldn't be having this discussion today! We've all benefited from these men and whether or not history was distorted, it's really no crime, I found it to be just the human condition.
   Example, is the late McNairy County Tennessee Sheriff Buford Pusser of the "Walking Tall" movies. Hollywood took some 'liberties' in producing those movies and there were inaccuracies and time line distortions. However, my research concluded that he was essentially a one man blitz against organized crime who made supreme sacrifices in his enforcement of the law. Was he perfect, no, did he walk outside the law to enforce it, hell yeah! but if a "goody two shoes" left wing libertarian was in his position these thugs would have walked all over him and their descendants would probably be operating there today. W.R. Morris who wrote his biography stated and this is a direct quote: " I have studied the man and have seen both the good and the bad, without question, Buford Pusser is genuine--a rare commodity among men." Sometimes the end does justify the means. In our case we have all done well by our lineage. I went through this while investigating the history of James M. Mitose, there were many inaccuracies passed around over the years but the man, in all due respect to his family, was no saint either, but again if not for him and 'Kosho Ryu' we wouldn't be having this discussion now. I say, so be it, there are skeletons in many closets, who cares as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on us! ;)  Respectfully & Always your friend, Brother Joe :)
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Karazenpo on July 25, 2003, 12:45:50 PM
I would like to make one other point. To take a 'line' from the military, "rank is something you wear, respect is something you earn." Too much emphasis is put on the piece of cloth around someone's waist and not enough on the man or woman themself. I have no trouble accepting the forefathers of our lineage that got us where we all are today. They evidently did something right and over the years Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu has gotten my butt out of other wise no win scenerios. Whether someone down my lineage wasn't a "black belt" during the inception of his system decades ago does not reflect at all on what I wear today and if some feel it does then let me give up the belt and see what happens. Will I lose all the knowledge and abitilites that I have acquired over all these years? If take a white belt will everything mystically drain from my body and mind? See my point? Respectfully, Shihan Joe
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Greg Harper on July 25, 2003, 01:33:14 PM
 8)
I agree with you Shihan Joe.
one of the things we say in our class is-
(you just never know)
when you are at a seminar you may see many thing's from many people that you would never expect to see them do.
I know for a fact that I have.
but when you are on the street or in a retaurant or a
movie theater. no one is wearing a belt or carrying around a cetrtifcate.
the only thing that will matter is if you underestimate your enemy.  
I for one do not wear my belt in class, I only wear it at events as Sijo tells me to.
I do respect Rank but I think most americans look at it too much.
If your teacher is a warrior you will know,
on the Rank is something you wear comment,
i once had a student that was worried that i would lose respect for him as his training was dropping off.
my response to him was i can't lose something i do not have,
this student had only been with me 6 months & i explained that you have to earn respect befor you can lose it.
Train stong to remain strong
 8)
Aloha
Greg Harper

 
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 25, 2003, 02:55:50 PM
Aloha,

On my school's history of Chinese Kempo Karate handout I state, "The purpose of this version of history is not to present irrefutable facts to the world, but rather to provide our students with a verifiable lineage - to give them some roots."

As the previous discussions show, we all have differing views on what happened and what should have happened. I have to agree that no matter what happened, we all owe a lot to the early pioneers.  I will make a point of mentioning that in future editions of my handout.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: ram on July 26, 2003, 09:38:55 AM
Aloha,
My question on Professor Godin's involvement with Chuan Fa was in no way meant to question his rank. It is just that I met one of his students ( last name Silva) and he was wearing a shirt with some chinese writing on it and in english it listed the martial art style( Ican't remember to well, it was about ten years ago )and next to it was the word chuan fa. Now at the time I knew of chuan fa in Kajukenbo, so I asked him what his meant. He said that he was an instructor under Walter Godin and that their roots trace back to Joe Emperado and the chuan fa branch of Kajukenbo. That was the main reason for my question. Another reason was because I try to go through all the topics on the forum so that I can better my knowledge of the WHOLE art, and many times there are certain topics or posts that contradict others. So I just want to make sure that if I or someone else is talking about history or knowledge of Kajukenbo, I hope that I would be able to know when they are or are not speaking fact, or fiction. An example of contradicting posts would be the Kajukenbo prayer. In on post it is said that Professor Gaylord wrote the prayer, yet in others it is said that it was written by Frank Ordonez, and yet I think there was one more. This forum has become an encyclopedia on Kajukenbo for me thanks to all the grandmasters and professors and long time instructors that give us feedback. So my hats off to Sigung John Bishop, the moderators and the creators of this forum. I have only gained valuable knowledge from joining.
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: ram on July 26, 2003, 10:31:18 PM
Thank you Professor Scott. Your feedback is very much appreciated. Anymore questions that I have on the chuan fa branch I will address to you since you are the moderator for that section. On that note, I have just one more question...In a post in the Gaylord Method section, it states that the Gaylord Method and the Ramos Method are METHODS in the chuan fa section. As it is also stated that both have ties to George Seronio. So where does the chuan fa come from in their methods?
Just to make it clear once again, in no way am I questioning the credentials of these masters, I have nothing but respect for them. If my questions offend anyone, please feel free to let me know so that I will better know where to draw the line.

I have met Professor Godin on several occasions and he was always  willing to talk on and on with me about training. It's too bad for me that I never had the interest for it back then as I do now.

Mahalo to everyone for their responses, it helps me to understand this art more and more.

Ram
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: ram on July 26, 2003, 11:33:10 PM
Oops, my apologies to Prof. Scott. My last question should've been adressed to Prof. Herrera. This forum is so large that I made a little mistake.
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on July 27, 2003, 09:45:16 PM
Incidentally, Professor Godin was big on using the prayer. Many of his students including those who went their own way say it upon opening and/or closing classes.
Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on August 27, 2003, 10:03:46 PM
You can order a copy of Professor Godin's first and only interview in Fighting Arts Hawaii (this is also an excellent magazine). I have put together an order form on my website at http://hokkien.uuft.org/subscription.html

Also, I respect what others have to say about Godin and read everything that I can find about him. This includes negatives. (I just might not agree with it.)

No matter what your take, Godin was one of the most controversial figures in Kajukenbo history.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: kajukenbobadboy on August 29, 2003, 02:11:50 PM
Instructor Evans,
You seem to think Prof Godin is one bad dude. But hey, I have a copy of the Kajukenbo series by Panther Productions. This includes Sijo Emperado's interview. Sijo said Godin was a coward. He said Prof Godin took off when Joe Emperado was killed.
Sorry to break it to you. I also don't mean any disrespect because I've seen you at tournaments and think you and other of Prof Godin's boyz are awesome. I just want to clarify some history. Okay?
Mahalo,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Greg Harper on August 29, 2003, 04:20:20 PM
Mr. Kajukenbobadboy  ;D
i see from your profile that you are 20 year's old.
so i do not think you can clarify history befor 1983.
I am Sijo Emperado's Body Guard & just got off the phone with Sijo & Dechi Emperado about your coments.
Sijo is pissed off and asked me who the He _ _ you are >:(
you were not even born in 1958 and there is much more to the story.
Sijo & the Emperado family have put that time to rest.
and you are being disrespectfull.
and if sijo said that at that time no one knows what his state of mind was then but him.
but he doe's not want that said or talked about any more.
I am very tiered of people like you that think you know more than you do.
the following are Sijo Emperado's words for (YOU) >:(
(and I agree with him as I know many others do )
KNOCK IT OFF >:(
I know when we are small we are told if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.
If you dont like what sijo has to say to you then just let me know >:(
and go ahead and say it here in this open forum.
so all of Kajukenbo can see.
yes i am upset but remember since you chose to
qote Sijo in an open forum.
It is him who is responding to you by my hand.
Sijo is waiting for your reply >:(

this letter was read to sijo word for word
and he said send it
 8)
Professor Greg Harper
Sijo Emperado's Personal Body Guard
K.S.D.I. Visalia Ca.
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on August 29, 2003, 11:27:42 PM
Professor Harper,
Thank you sir! You have my respect. I was going to say something to shake the heck out of Mr. DeCarlo's cage but you did an excellent job. Please give my respects to Sijo. Also I apologize for interupting but I have a couple more things to tell young Mr. DeCarlo.

Mr. DeCarlo,
Upon reading your incitive comments and Professor Harper's response, I have the wisdom to avoid making any comment on the matter because if Sijo wants us to put the matter behind us so be it. In one of my last phone calls to Professor Godin, he told he had a lot of respect for Sijo. Please don't upset that memory.

As I said before, you can order a copy of Professor Godin's first and only interview from Fighting Arts Hawaii. Mr. DeCarlo, if you give me your address, I will personal purchase you a copy of that collector's issue and have it mailed directly to you.

Last but not least, Professor Godin was not a coward! You have a lot of nerve to call yourself "Kajukenbo Bad Boy" if you don't even know that Professor Godin was an original Kajukenbo Bad Boy! A lot of people have different opinions on him but no matter what, Professor Walter L.N. Godin was not afraid of anything.

I hope this settles the matter. I have a student of mine visiting friends in your hometown of Oklahoma City this Labor Day weekend. He will be at the Hooters on 2109 SW 74th St. Just ask for Johnson. He'll be waiting for you. If you want to apologize, buy him a beer...

Once again Professor Harper, I apologize for the interuption and had to get these matters on my chest.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: kajukenbobadboy on August 30, 2003, 11:27:08 AM
To whom it may concern:

I am terrible sorry about the statement I made and wish to retract it. I recklessly made it based on my recollection from a video I watched over a year ago.

Also, I am currently out of town taking care of my sick grandma. She is to be moved into a nursing home and I am trying to get her affairs in order. I am learning all I can about her finances and all kinds legal mumbo-jumbo. Yes, I am under a lot of pressure and had to miss school for this semester. Also,  Grandma doesn't have a computer and trying to write something that makes sense while sitting at a public terminal is stressful.

I did not mean to anger anyone and apologize. This especially goes out to Sijo Adriano Emperado, Professor Greg Harper and Instructor Andrew Evans.

Please accept my humble apologies.

Frank
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: kajukenbobadboy on September 25, 2003, 03:12:38 PM
I learned a lot about Walter Godin from Andrew Evans and others I spoke with over the phone. Though I didn't know much about him before hanging out at this cafe, I have lots of respect from the man. He led a colorful life.

Instructor Evans, thanks for your advice on your legal library. I'm don't like asking for help and rather waste time chasing nothing. Sorry you aren't around, I was hoping to do the honor of buying you lunch. Yeah, I¡¯m still working on the stuff but I gotta go or I'll look to buy you dinner. Anyway, I'll be heading back home for a while. Sorry I didn't get to stop by for one of your classes or meet the legendary Johnson.

Humbly yours,
Frank DeCarlo
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on October 01, 2003, 11:28:13 AM
Frank, I also regret not getting to meet you in person. Having to take care of elderly relatives is a tough burden for anyone especially for someone under 21. Hang tough and travel safely!

Anyway, I'm hoping we can get the focus back on to the specific topic of this section in the forum. Professor Walter Godin certainly led an interesting life. I'm sure there are lots of stories out there that some of us have never heard of. I hope folks are willing to share them.

When Professor passed away, he was at peace with the world and did not hold any grudges. Yes, he had some low points in his life but to see how he overcame them makes him ever greater.

To fall seven times is to rise eight times. Professor did it! He never let the falls keep him down.

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: kajukenbobadboy on October 03, 2003, 09:03:28 PM
Yes, Prof Godin never let low points ruin his life. After turning his life around from being in jail for a drug-related offense, Prof Godin but was pardoned by the governor of Hawaii.

By the way, this Okie made it back safely to the Sooner State. I still wish there was some Kaju action. Inst. Evans, if you want to move down here, I will unload your moving truck free of charge and sign up for classes.

Frank
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on October 29, 2003, 10:14:09 PM
To add more details.

Professor Godin was convicted of conspiracy in 1982. While in office, former Hawaii Governor Ben Cayetano pardoned him in 1995. Whether Professor was actually guilty or not, the important thing is he was glad to get the conviction behind him and went on to accomplish a lot with the rest of his life. This included giving a seminar in the "Big Apple" with Shihan Michael Depasquale, writing a book of his experience with the great Joe Emperado, starting an organization (Godin's Ohana), and running the last standing Kajukenbo/Chinese Kempo school in the Palama Settlement.

Due to his untimely death, Professor never got a chance to give seminars in Dallas, the city that shares the same name as his favorite television show and Kansas City, the home of America's blues and jazz heritage. I will never forget the way he said, "Kansas City here I come!"

Respectfully,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on October 30, 2003, 03:08:58 PM
Thank you, Professor Scott. This is good news! The Palama Settlement is a very sacred place for all of us. I am glad someone else from the Kajukenbo lineage is now holding the torch there. Please give a thank you and congratulations to Grandmaster Sixto Ramos Jr. on behalf of me and my school.

Mahalo,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on January 11, 2004, 02:26:09 PM
“Wow! That is definitely Walter Godin,” said Professor Kimo Ferreira after seeing me perform a Chinese Kempo kata in Omaha, Nebraska yesterday. That is one of the best compliments I ever had. I started to say how I wished Professor Godin was there to see me perform the kata but it didn’t matter. I think he was watching from above.

I also believe he was us during dinner as Professor Kimo told us lots of great stories about him. A couple of my students were lucky to hear these stories. It was a great ohana time.

Wherever you are Professor Godin, you are deeply loved and missed!
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 29, 2004, 12:55:46 PM
Earlier this week, I started teaching a college-level course in Chinese Kempo. I started off by talking about our history. When I finished talking about the lowest point in Professor Godin's life, the class got very quiet and someone pointed out that Memorial Day is around the corner.

Let's take a moment of silence during this holiday weekend. All you old-timers and historians know what I'm talking about. At least the two great martial artists are in heaven right now training together. God bless them!

Mahalo,
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on August 07, 2004, 11:00:10 AM
Today marks the third anniversary of the passing of the late Professor Walter Godin.  :'( Not only is he missed for his great martial arts skill, but also for his great sense of humor.

We are to perform a martial arts demostration tonight for the local National Night Out against crime celebration. It will be in his honor.

Respectfully,
Andrew
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: dshioi on September 21, 2004, 11:00:42 PM
I never met anyone more humble than  Professor Godin.
I spoke with him on several occasions and I was truely impressed by how soft spoken, courteous and humble he was.  Goes to show that when you have confidence in yourself, there is no need to show it.


Danny
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 28, 2005, 12:43:55 PM
This weekend is Memorial Day weekend. Our thoughts and prayers are with two of the greatest martial artists who are practicing together in heaven right now.

God Bless,
Andrew

Earlier this week, I started teaching a college-level course in Chinese Kempo. I started off by talking about our history. When I finished talking about the lowest point in Professor Godin's life, the class got very quiet and someone pointed out that Memorial Day is around the corner.

Let's take a moment of silence during this holiday weekend. All you old-timers and historians know what I'm talking about. At least the two great martial artists are in heaven right now training together. God bless them!

Mahalo,
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 26, 2006, 05:58:37 PM
Just a reminder that Memorial Day is a special weekend for many. God bless those who have gone before us.

Also, please thank a veteran!
Title: Re:Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 23, 2008, 08:52:55 AM
If nothing else, sometime before or after this holiday weekend remind our students about the tradition of escorts and the need to be protected in a dangerous world. Also, don't forget to thank a veteran. God bless, Andrew.

When I finished talking about the lowest point in Professor Godin's life, the class got very quiet and someone pointed out that Memorial Day is around the corner.
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: kumurick on August 07, 2010, 11:34:48 AM
Today is the anniversary of Godin’s death.  Several weeks before Professor Godin's passing, I was taking care of him, driving him where he needed to go, checking him into hotels and getting him on an airplane.  We spent more time together through those couple of weeks than any other time before. 

When we dropped him off at the airport to go home, my wife and I all struggled to get him on the plane in time because we were moving a little slow and the doors at the gate had already shut.  With his "colorful" commentary on why they should open the doors for him and that the plane wasn't leaving, they complied and waited for him.  He was exhausted and they gave him a wheelchair to make it to the gate.  By the time he was at the gate, he got out of the chair, took few steps and then stopped and while he turned and reached into his pants pocket.  He had something in his hand and grabbed my hand putting it in my hand and then closing my hand he firmly said “thank you”. 

I’m honored to wear that patch he gave me every day when I teach and I’m honored that he included me in his ohana.  The patch reads “Professor Godin’s Ohana”. 
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: sensei808 on August 10, 2010, 01:48:57 PM
Kumurick , I to really miss the Proff.,there isn't a day that goes by that he isn't in my thoughts.I still have training mats fom his school that hangs in the rafters in my garage.Every day when I drive in I see the mats and am reminded of the Proff. I was his last instructor along with Raven at the palama school. We still train as to not forget the techniques ,katas,punch tricks ,and grab arts,but only on our own . It was or is nice to see posts about the Proff.  Aloha my friend ....Dennis Galisa
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 27, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
Taking a moment this weekend to remember two great men: Professor Godin and his instructor Joe Emperado. Also, don't forget to thank a veteran.
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Gints Klimanis on June 18, 2011, 03:11:46 AM
Sigung Evans,  please add any info you have on Joe Emperado to help us remember him.
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on June 14, 2012, 12:05:18 PM
I apologize Gints for not seeing your request sooner. Below is some history. My primary source was the now defunct Fighting Arts Hawaii magazine.

"Only a few top martial artists including Walter Godin (also trained by Chow) were taught this new art form in the beginning. Then in 1950, Adriano Emperado and his younger brother Joe began teaching the new art in an open class in 1950 and called their school the Kajukenbo Self Defense Institute (KSDI). Godin said, "There are no words to describe the training sessions at Palama Settlement during the early days, unless you've experienced it, only then will you understand." Joe Emperado and Godin became best friends. Joe would often take him to secluded parks and practice self-defense that nobody else saw. Then he would "tell me to remember the techniques."

Joe was responsible for most of the training in the KSDI school until the Memorial Day weekend of 1958. One night after class several Kajukenbo students were hanging out at the Pink Elephant, a bar where Joe worked part-time as a bouncer. Joe stayed late waiting for his girlfriend who was working there. When the rest of the Kajukenbo students left, Joe asked his favorite student Godin to stay. Joe must have sensed something was wrong because at closing time, three men who stayed behind wanted to start some trouble and started messing around with Godin. Godin suggested that they take it outside. Right before it started coming down to blows, Joe went outside and shoved Godin inside hoping to close the door on the three troublemakers.

While Joe's back was turned, George Shimabukuro stabbed him from behind. At that time, Joe did not even know he was stabbed and thought he was hit by a very hard punch. The next attack thrown was a strong hammerblow from Joe that knocked his attacker into parked cars. The fight continued with Joe Emperado squaring off with an armed George Shimabukuro while Godin took on the other two guys.

Imagine as a martial artist what it would be like to be in a fight back-to-back with your instructor on your side. Unfortunately, Godin and Joe Emperado lost that fight. When the police came, everyone ran. Joe lost so much blood from multiple stab wounds that he died the next day. He was able to tell his brother Adriano what happened and from that day forward the tradition of escorts was in effect. It is a matter of looking out for one another. The escorts would accompany a higher rank whenever s/he went out in public. Their job was to go everywhere with the higher ranking, including the restroom, to take care of anything behind him because he can take care what is in front of him. This tradition is still practiced today. After all, Joe would not have died that weekend if he had more escorts.

Unfortunately, Shimabukuro avoided jail time in Joe Emperado's death. The claim of self-defense was allowed since Joe was well known as a dangerous martial artist (plus it was probably hard to determine from the multiple stab wounds examined during the autopsy when the first stab occurred). Some people even considered Godin to be a coward. Could this be true? Godin went on to become one of Kajukenbo's top students and chief instructors. He was also Emperado's bodyguard. If Emperado thought Godin was a coward, neither of these things would have happened!"
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on June 14, 2012, 12:08:51 PM
While I missed my annual Memorial Day post on this thread, I want to add that I still had Professor Godin and his instructor Joe Emperado on my mind. I was the co-producer of a jazz fusion CD and purposely choose Memorial Day 2012 as the official release date. For those interested in the project, please visit http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/theorphansofsmoothjazz and listen to some samples. Aloha.

Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Gints Klimanis on August 25, 2012, 02:52:32 AM
Thank you for the historical paragraph on Joe Emperado's death, Andrew.  I scan this forum every couple of weeks, but I only scanned your top post and missed the gem.
Title: Re: Professor Walter L. N. Godin-Chinese Kempo Karate
Post by: Chief Instructor on May 23, 2014, 04:36:46 PM
Taking a moment this Memorial weekend to remember two great men: Professor Godin and his instructor Joe Emperado. Also, don't forget to thank a veteran.