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Title: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Steve on November 01, 2006, 07:14:19 PM


  Does  some people train this system here?

   Thats could be interesting to know more about  the Late GM Marino Tiwanak system

   Steeve
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 02, 2006, 02:03:45 AM
I train in a system that descended from CHA3.  My teacher, Master Rich Lewis, currently isn't a member of CHA3, but he trained in CHA3 in Hawaii during his youth (age 13-19) before entering the military service .  Later on, but he joined up with his teacher Sam Brown in San Jose, CA.  Rich met Prof. Marino Tiwanak when he visited  Sam Brown's school before that school eventually broke away from CHA3.    Ahhhh, martial arts and politcs.

Anyway, I've checked my arts with some CHA3 instructors that I've met over the last decade, and they say my arts are the older CHA3 arts.  My teacher Rich is a traditionalist, and forcefully preserves the system as he learned it.

So, in the end, I don't represent CHA3, but I would like to talk to more people that have trained in that system.

Gints
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Steve on November 02, 2006, 01:09:28 PM

 Gints

   Go Shin Jutsu kenpo ...does its the same of Karazenpo go shinjutsu  ???

 Steeve
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 02, 2006, 06:21:43 PM
The lineage of my teacher's Go Shin Jutsu Kenpo is different from Karazenpo.   Go Shin Jutsu is a generic Japanese term for self-defense techniques.   

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Vala Au on November 02, 2006, 11:46:25 PM
I train in a system that descended from CHA3.  My teacher, Master Rich Lewis, currently isn't a member of CHA3, but he trained in CHA3 in Hawaii during his youth (age 13-19) before entering the military service .  Later on, but he joined up with his teacher Sam Brown in San Jose, CA.  Rich met Prof. Marino Tiwanak when he visited  Sam Brown's school before that school eventually broke away from CHA3.    Ahhhh, martial arts and politcs.

Anyway, I've checked my arts with some CHA3 instructors that I've met over the last decade, and they say my arts are the older CHA3 arts.  My teacher Rich is a traditionalist, and forcefully preserves the system as he learned it.

So, in the end, I don't represent CHA3, but I would like to talk to more people that have trained in that system.

Gints


Brother Gints,

In my early days I trained with some folks who would today probably be considered CHA 3.  At the the time, I didn't know there was any difference between that and Kaju.  It was very hard style big knuckle stuff.  Sijo was referred to as "Da Chief" or "No Noi". That was about the time he was expanding in the mainland (early 70's) I guess. After training or tournaments we would be invited to go up to Prof. Marino's house.  After much beverage was consumed many displays and attempts at breaking bricks always occurred.  Nothing but good times.  It's a shame politics has caused division among us.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 04, 2006, 04:45:02 AM
Brother Jason,

When I travel to Hawaii, I would like to visit with you and CHA3 .  In particular, I'd like to watch your school to see if I can recognize any arts. 

Here is a video of my teacher :
http://tinyurl.com/wszv3

Are the back patch, wide sashes and split-colored belts a familiar sight ?  Do you have any pictures of your club ?

Thanks,

Gints
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Steve on November 05, 2006, 12:16:55 AM

   gints

  thank for sharing

   U done some dog brother training...Whats  do u thing about  club and knife  counter???

  Steeve
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Vala Au on November 05, 2006, 08:16:47 PM
Brother Jason,

When I travel to Hawaii, I would like to visit with you and CHA3 .  In particular, I'd like to watch your school to see if I can recognize any arts. 

Here is a video of my teacher :
http://tinyurl.com/wszv3

Are the back patch, wide sashes and split-colored belts a familiar sight ?  Do you have any pictures of your club ?

Thanks,

Gints


Brother Gints,

Hope I didn't mislead you, when I said my early days, I meant 30+ years ago.  I am currently under GM Al Dela Cruz in the Chuan Fa Branch of KSDI.  I haven't had any connection to CHA 3 in years.  It is currently run, I believe, by Prof. Marino's son Mike Tiwanak.  Since Prof. Marino passed they seem to keep pretty much to themselves as far as training functions and tournaments.  The point I was trying to make was that in my younger days there didn't seem to be any distinction other than name which we now know is not true.  You're still welcome to visit when you come down to Hawaii.  Aloha.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: KajuJKDFighter on November 06, 2006, 10:33:06 AM
Nice pain compliance Gints...
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 07, 2006, 01:35:16 AM
Prof. Bono,  that's my friend Roger Tinkoff receiving.  Luckily,  I was the fellow holding the video camera.   

That's the training ground for the summer Belt Ceremony.  It's the concrete foundation of what once was an above ground pool.  There is a thin layer of dirt over the cement, so when Roger is "tapping" the ground, he's smacking concrete blocks.
When it gets dusty, Master Lewis just hoses down the dust, and we're all muddy.  All fun.

Gints

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 07, 2006, 01:37:18 AM

Brother Gints,

Hope I didn't mislead you, when I said my early days, I meant 30+ years ago.  I am currently under GM Al Dela Cruz in the Chuan Fa Branch of KSDI.  I haven't had any connection to CHA 3 in years.  It is currently run, I believe, by Prof. Marino's son Mike Tiwanak.  Since Prof. Marino passed they seem to keep pretty much to themselves as far as training functions and tournaments.  The point I was trying to make was that in my younger days there didn't seem to be any distinction other than name which we now know is not true.  You're still welcome to visit when you come down to Hawaii.  Aloha.

Brother Jason,

No problem.  I'm always curious about the "good old days", and your words about the lack of distinction between CHA3 and Kajukenbo during your time are valuable to me.

Gints
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on November 07, 2006, 02:24:01 AM

   U done some dog brother training...Whats  do u thing about  club and knife  counter???


Brother Steve,

I've fought at a few Dog Brother Gatherings, but I do not represent their material.   The Dog Brother titles (Dog Joe, Candidate-Dog Joe, Dog Brother Joe) indicate that you have at a number of their tournaments at a certain level and have gained the trust of the group.

As for the Go Shin Jutsu Kenpo club counter, I think it's good.  I've never performed the entire art from start to finish, but I don't think that is ever the intention of an Art.  I have delivered most of that move in parts.   People swinging a stick/club really do extend their arm that far as they are trying to maximize their range.  In my experience in weapons sparring, when the attacker's swinging arm is intercepted by an upward block at the wrist or forearm, their weapon typically flies.  This has been done to me as well.  The rest of the Club Art is reasonably valid as well because most people, untrained or trained in any kind of stick art, want to hold on to the weapon and just try to pull it away.  So, you can hold weapon hand while wailing on them with your free hand, armed or not.   

I have sparred with many people trained in weapons, and unless they are experienced, most really do spend their energy trying to regain control of their weapon.   So, this wisdom built into Kaju/Kenpo has been demonstrated to me .   And, the funny but real thing is that those trained exclusively in unarmed Arts typically find the weapon to be a nuisance.  They would rather punch, kick or grapple, almost relieved that the weapon is no longer in their hand.  It's funny to watch two guys grappling trying to do a fancy submission with their training weapons lying right next to them.

Gints

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Steve on November 15, 2006, 01:05:06 PM


 Good point brother Gints

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Steve on November 15, 2006, 04:21:49 PM
 Since we talk about club trick.....

    I have some cha 3 kenpoclub trick ...dont know if its  the right or just a version ...but a lot are like in kajukenbo with the upward block and backfist to groin entry the 3,4 7 and 11 have this entry maybe i could post the techniques ....but im really not sure if its the original  or just a version...I have also some punch trick and grab..........


  Steeve
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Resik on October 29, 2008, 03:50:02 PM
Hello, I'm new here.

I trained for a little while with Sling Patterson in Mesquite, TX many years ago.  I've now just started (3 weeks ago) to train with one of his former students who is now an instructor in CHA 3 Kenpo.  His name is Bonner Lovern.

I was really excited to find out that I could continue my training as I here that Sling is now in Iraq.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
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Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: GM Shangko on November 11, 2008, 03:29:52 PM
Aloha Steve, GM Lennie Siangco of the Shangko Fighting System and High Chief of the Pedoy School of Escrima Maui Branch. I started CHA-3 Kenpo Brotherhood in 1969 with Chief Tommy Torado under Prof. Marino Tywanak. We had the old school training back then. I still remember the instructions when you get hurt ...Pass it Down the line. CHA-3 Kenpo knows what that means...lol.   I am also under the late GM Jullian Blue Generalao with Chinese Kenpo, he was one of Sijo Emperados first line of Black Belts along with Prof, Tywanak and the others. Anyway nice meeting you keep in touch.
Title: Training video CHA-3/ Quest For Knowledge
Post by: kanakamaolikenpokane on November 23, 2008, 03:31:03 PM



             Aloha Mai to fellow Kenpo Men,
 In regards to fellow Black Belt Gints. When seeking out CHA-3 brothers and sisters, there is a protocal in contacting them. It has to be by letter of introduction from your Professor Lewis or his Instructor Sijo Sam Kamuela Brown of Reno, Nevada (Ken-Ju-Bo-Ai National Association). In regards to the seperation of Sam Brown and CHA-3, that is only between himself and the late Professor Marino Tiwanak. That was in regards to  your statement about politics in the Martial Arts. Also, you were misinformed about Professor Lewis training in Honolulu with CHA-3. He learned the older  CHA-3 arts from his Instructor, my uncle Sijo Sam Kamuela Brown. I have met Professor Lewis and respect him and his philosophy. I also had the honor of meeting the late Professor Marino Tiwanak and know his son Professor Michael Tiwanak of the CHA-3 (originally Civilian Housing #3 (naval housing #3), now called (Central Hawai'i Acitivies #3) in Honolulu, O'ahu. Professor Marino Tiwanak had high regards for Sijo Sam Brown and said "he was my right hand man" when talking to me personally. I had the pleasure of attending a dinner with him and other great Grand Masters Clarence Lee and Grand Master Ming of San Francisco. That is why if you want to contact other CHA-3 or KEN-JU-BO-AI members(which I am a board member and 5th degree/ Go Dan black belt) it is always with the blessings from your Professor and the other systems Professors. I don't mean to discourage you from seeking knowledge of the Kenpo/Kempo arts, but urge you to follow proper protocol and accepted etiquette.  Malama Kou Kino 'Ame Malama Kou Pu'uwai,   A Hui Hou  -  Kaleimoku
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: KajuJKDFighter on November 24, 2008, 12:58:36 PM
I have never heard of a protocol to see or talk to your brothers and sisters ....Ohana.....brotherhood should be an open book....
Title: Talking to brothers and sistersi is fine. But, to seek PROTOCAl.
Post by: kanakamaolikenpokane on November 24, 2008, 02:47:21 PM

             To respond to open book! That is fine to talk to brothers and sisters of the love of the art. When you are looking to discuss techniques and systems. It is then you request through your hiarchy or teacher, may it be Sifu, Sensei, Professor, Master. That is why we have a ranking system. You should show respect, then respect will be given. Like we say in Hawaiian to be Ha'a Ha'a (Humble). You would reap greatness and friendship, this what we mean through protocal. Especially if he is trying to learn more about his generation from Go shin jutsu through Ken-Ju-Bo-Ai through CHA-3  Again that is through his teacher Professor Richard Lewis. Without that structure, would be all chaos! Tradition and Respect is all what was mentioned. Again to reach out to a brother or sister of the Arts that is fine. But, to discuss it! Always PROTOCAL! The old proverb- Like an open book! Loose lips sink ships. We do not want (BACHI), bad karma. With Respect and with ALOHA- A is for Akahai- to be kind and respectable,  L- is for Lokahi to be humble and giving from ones self,  O- is for 'Olu'Olu- to be kind and thoughtful, H- Ha'a Ha'a- to be humble and giving without any expectations, A- Ahonui- To serve & giving from ones heart. So I say to you ALOHA!
Mahalo Nui Loa! Kaleimoku with RESPECT.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Kenpo_85 on November 24, 2008, 03:05:20 PM
Damien, it's good to hear from you, buddy! 8)
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: KajuJKDFighter on November 24, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
I have to say I think there is no disrespect in talking....All students any rank from any school can come up to me ask me a question email or call.....I am open to share what I have learn....  My Instructors, Yoshii, Hartsell, GGM Gaylord all agree.....I have nothing to hide and life is short...Gints has trained with me and he knows how it works....he is a friendly and very respectful student and his Instructor is the same....I guess we all have our ways of doing things...my students are very respectful of other Instructors.....that's how they learn to be through their training....Teachers are meant to teach.......the best I have met were open minded and open and didn't look down on people willing to learn....Peace
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: John Bishop on November 24, 2008, 03:52:04 PM
I have to say I think there is no disrespect in talking....All students any rank from any school can come up to me ask me a question email or call.....I am open to share what I have learn....  My Instructors, Yoshii, Hartsell, GGM Gaylord all agree.....I have nothing to hide and life is short...Gints has trained with me and he knows how it works....he is a friendly and very respectful student and his Instructor is the same....I guess we all have our ways of doing things...my students are very respectful of other Instructors.....that's how they learn to be through their training....Teachers are meant to teach.......the best I have met were open minded and open and didn't look down on people willing to learn....Peace

I think that's one of the things that sets Kajukenbo apart from some of the other systems; a sense of sharing.  Most of the Kaju teachers I've had the chance to train with or talk to were always willing to share, both to Kajukenbo ohana and other martial artists.
I've personally always been open to anyone in the martial arts who wants to learn about or talk about Kajukenbo. 
Actually, I've seen this openness with many seniors from various systems.   
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Mitch Powell on November 24, 2008, 04:10:01 PM
Nothing brings a bigger smile to my face than when my son is finishing a technique and says, "I got this from GM Harper" or "I got this from GM Sotelo or Prof. Bono," etc. We all learn from each other. I had four remarkable Kajukenbo teachers and each one had a different philosophy on the art, life, my training needs, etc.

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Resik on December 13, 2008, 04:39:01 PM
Is there anyone else here taking CHA 3 Kenpo, or am I the only one?  Just wondering, we are few and far between outside of Hawaii, I'm in Texas.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on December 15, 2008, 01:37:29 PM
Which school in Texas ?
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Resik on December 16, 2008, 08:49:23 AM
I'm learning in Rowlett, Texas.  My instructor is currently teaching from his house. He was teaching in Rockwall before but now in Rowlett.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Gints Klimanis on December 16, 2008, 06:50:10 PM
Texas and Arizona are large states, but check with Prof. George Lim

http://www.kajuaz.com/instructor.html

Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: Resik on December 17, 2008, 07:44:17 AM
Thank you Gints.
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
Post by: poiboi on June 12, 2009, 05:32:34 AM
George Lim is no longer a member of C.H.A.-3
Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
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Title: Re: CHA 3 Kenpo
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