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All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« on: April 26, 2004, 06:27:56 PM »
The Pacific Association of Women Martial Artists (PAWMA) offers an annual training camp that brings about two hundred women together for three days of practice, sharing, and fun--featuring the finest instructors and outstanding participants from up and down the coast and across the U.S. Past camps have offered classes in kajukenbo, naginata, kendo, capoeira, aikido, judo, jujitsu, kenpo, shotokan, wado ryu, taekwondo, cuong nhu, sil lum, bagua, hsing yi, tai chi, a variety of weapons, and more.  

This year's camp is being held in Olympia, WA from September 3-6. How many of you have heard about this organization (www.pawma.org) and would go to a camp like this?

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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 08:36:56 PM »
Are men allowed to participate?
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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2004, 10:00:40 AM »
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My spouse aka kempomama is a fulltime mother with a newborn and 10-year-old, is trying to finish her bachelor's degree (first ever in her family), and also teaches at our school in the evenings. I will mention this thread to her via voicemail.

If you read kempomama's article at http://hokkien.uuft.org/sheryl.html , you'll get the idea that she supports the efforts of PAWMA and schools like yours. Self-esteem and confidence are important steps to learning self-defense. (By the way, she hopes to meet you in person the next time we are in the Northwest.)

Anyway, yes! The camp you described would be great. We only wish there were more like it around the country. I believe it would have a cooperative atmosphere as opposed to the competitive ones seen at most male-dominated camps. This would be more conductive to learning and sharing.

Thank you for allowing me to comment,
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 01:54:09 PM »
Sifu Sin Bin,

Only women and girls may participate in the training camp; however, non-participating guests may observe classes with instructor permission and are welcome to attend the demo. Childcare will be provided during classes. Membership in PAWMA is open to anyone--woman or man--who supports the full and active participation of women in the martial arts.

Andrew,

You're in luck. There is another all women's annual camp that's usually held closer to you. It's sponsored by the National Women's Martial Arts Federation (www.nwmaf.org). It will be held July 15-18 at Stonehill College in Easton, Massachusetts this year. Last year's camp was held in Ohio, I think.

I enjoyed reading kempomama's article. Thank you for the link. By the way, I'm not the head instructor of the school, but you're both welcome to stop by anytime.
 
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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 02:31:11 PM »
Figures >:(  Let any man try to hold a mens only seminar and see if we aren't sued for discrimination >:(
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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2004, 02:36:18 PM »
I've heard about the camp and would be interested in attending sometime in the future.  I just have way too much on my plate for the rest of this year.

The idea is good and agree with Mr. Evans that it might create a more cooperative atmosphere, especially for women who have never been involved with martial arts or even physical activity.

I'll keep my eyes open for future attendance.

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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 02:44:40 PM »
I'm with Sifu Sin Bin.   It's almost counter-culture to
hold single gender events.  I agree that there may
be value to women-specific martial arts education,
but the gender exclusion for this event is blatant.
If there are women-specific martial arts, then men
should also be educated in this area so that they
may be better instructors to their female students.
If an event doesn't really offer gender-specific
material that doesn't implicitly exclude one gender,
then it really isn't an event that serves one gender
better than the other.

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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 02:54:28 PM »
An idea is to atleast have men as instructors.  Maybe not the majority, but get them involved.  

As a new instructor, I know I would be really intimidated teaching men until I feel more comfortable and this might be a place for me to start with all new faces.  At home, it's easier since I know all the students.  

I do like the idea of an all-womens seminar, but realize that men should be included in some capacity.  They bring a different angle and could bring in an extra flair.

A different angle is when you go to gyms in the mainland.  They have separate "women's only weight rooms" in some places.  Why?  To get more membership and women involved.  This camp is good and might be the first step someone needs to get into a regular class.  So, really runs a very fine line and boards on discrimination.  What's the solution???

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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 03:31:02 PM »
The solution is to truly end discrimination, never excluding any one who wants to participate, or to allow all groups to decide who they will or won't have in there club or association.  
   I am reminded of just a few years back here in the bay area, Mill's college an all woman campus was being sued to allow men to enroll, the student body vehemently opposed it and eventually won the law suit. Meanwhile at Men only military schools they were forced to take on women cadet's. Not only take them on but to lower there standards to allow the woman to qualify for the school, give them special places of boarding and so on.  
     I am all for an all woman's whatever,but I just hate hearing it when they all flip out when there is an all male whatever.   >:(
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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 04:11:08 PM »
>A different angle is when you go to gyms in the >mainland.  They have separate "women's only weight >rooms" in some places.  

There is an exercise franchise called "Curves" that
caters exclusively to women.   That business just exploded all over Nothern California over the last year.  Technically, it's legal although it would probably attract exactly the same female clientele without the explicit gender prerequisite.

"We are the first fitness and weightloss facilit dedicated to providing affordable, one-stop exercise and nutritional guidance to women."

I couldn't find any written information on the exclusion of men.

http://www.curvesinternational.com/
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art18285.asp
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102441,00.html

Likewise, here is a fitness center dedicated to men:
http://www.cutsfitness.com/

"A single-sex focus can be acceptable under federal civil rights law, although more stringent state and local statutes might require clubs in some areas to accept both sexes, said Tony Ellrod, a Los Angeles lawyer with a specialty in health clubs. "




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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 08:23:27 PM »
While I know there are very skillful and competent female Kajukenbo instructors out there, all of the 5th through 8th degree instructors I have meet (which is far from all of them)  have been men.

I find it a little sad that the great skills and in-depth knowledge they possess might not be passed on to some of the next generation, because there are people out their not comfortable training with the opposite sex.

I would also suggest that, unless you only intend to be attack by other woman, it is counter productive to train in an all female environment.

It's also reasonable to think that the best way to increase the number of high ranking female instructors, is for women to train under high ranking instructors, the majority, of whom (though not exclusively) are men.

I respect your right to hold whatever sort of seminar you like; and I don't care to get into a men's vs. women's rights argument, I just feel that you might be compromising your development for superficial reasons.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2004, 10:20:06 PM »
Dragondark,

I agree with most of your points. Training with a variety of partners, both men and women, is very beneficial. We have the opportunity to do that twice a month at my school.

Personally, I've never met a woman martial artist who is uncomfortable training with men so I can't speak to that issue. The reason I attend an all-women's school is not because of gender. It's because it has the best instructors that I've encountered so far. That includes two judo schools, two Okinawan karate schools and two American kenpo schools.

Besides we're only talking about a 3-day weekend here.  :) One of the reasons that I posted this topic is because of Kajushodan's previous thread asking where all of the Kajukenbo women are. Well, they're at my school (50+ members) and they're going to be at this camp.  :) It's an excellent opportunity to try other styles.

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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2004, 11:39:14 PM »
Oh good grief!  ::) If it was just a bunch of women getting together to look for shells on the beach, men wouldn't care less.

Many women don't show up for most seminars/camps because there's just too much testosterone and machismo politics floating around.

Sheryl

p.s. Thanks for the invite 7 Star. You might want to consider putting my lesser half in the daycare for our visit.
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Re:All Women's Martial Arts Camp - Would You Go?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 01:03:02 AM »
Well it sure doesn't look like the ladies need any of my help.  ;D

Will you be at the next open sparring 7 Star?
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 09:37:01 AM »
Thanks for the invite 7 Star, I told my wife and she's going to try and make it

I see nothing wrong with an all female seminar, it can work out to be good thing.

I belong to the Masons, which is all male, and we haven't had any problem yet.

So good luck with it and I hope you have a great turnout.


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