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Re:Noble System
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2004, 11:39:10 PM »
Mr. McDaniel,
Most of us know who George Jackson is and his lineage. For those who don't, he was definately a student of GM Peralta at one time, but black belted under GM Don Nahoolewa (same lineage, Different military base).

To help some of us understand the base of your Noble System, which lineage did Paul Jackson come from?
I am a black belt from GM Peralta and I have never heard him mentioned by Peralta.

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Re:Noble System
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2004, 03:09:45 PM »
Great subject  :)  I see that most of the people in here that has been writing is from Texas and is suppose to be coming off the same branch.  Your telling me that you guys all don't each other  ???   Seems like you should have crossed each others path at one time or another if you come from one of the two houses out there.  I mean I came from Northern Calif and I knew who was who on the west coast.

Seems like something more is going on  :-\  Just my opinion.....


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Re:Noble System
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2004, 04:01:10 PM »
Chris,
Peralta, Nahoolewa and George Jackson traveled the world on while military duty and are responsible for alot of the branches in other parts of the world.
GM Peralta and GM Nahoolewa retired from the Air Force in Texas around 1971.
This branch is very wide and many teachers' teachers were from taught by these men.
Mr. McDaniel is somewhere on the east coast but some of his students are from Texas. (we know each other).
This forum is a great way to get to know our cousins that may be somewhere else. Paul Jackson is the only one we have never heard of.
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2004, 04:28:22 PM »
I think Gm Nahoolewa retired for quit a while and people wen't on different paths and under different people to keep training and progressing. I think GM Peralta, even retired for a (short) time. anyway :P

Abilene TX is in the middle of no where. very small town and I'll bet back then very isolated. 2hrs from Ft. Worth, 4hrs from San Antonio and I think 2 or 3hrs from Lubbock.  

Unlike California, when I was coming up as far as I knew there where only 3 kajukembo/Kajukenbo schools in Texas. After training in Abilene with my instructor (Sifu Cox) Mr. Mcdaniel moved to Dallas and opened a school there. Thats when we actually started making  trips there. around 1993 . I met GM. Peralta for the first time at the Big D. Nationals tournament (I think in 1995/96)

There was no communication at one time. Thats my opinion. ??? intentional or unintentional everyone lost touch.

I've never met Sifu Gonzalez but I've known of him for quit a while as well as many other Black Belts
GM Peraltas. I don't think thats the issue. Mr. Mcdaniel will have to fill in more concerning Jackson.

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Re:Noble System
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2004, 05:07:18 PM »
Mr. Mcdaniel will have to fill in more concerning Jackson.

Claudio

I'm now curious about "Paul Jackson".  I don't see him on the "2004 Family Tree", but there's way too many names on it to check them all.  
I just didn't see his name anywhere under the Reyes family.  
What's his lineage? If he's not on the tree somewhere, he needs to be added to it for the sake of his students.
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2004, 12:05:48 AM »
Hello again, Let me break it down like this. In 1973 G. Jackson started a program in Abilene TX. by way of Dyess air force base. Him and some of his asst. would come down town and teach Kajukembo to the children at the rec. centers. By the end of the summer of 73, G.Jackson no longer made the trips to the centers. By 1974, P. Jackson started teaching Kajukembo at the rec where I attened classes. At this time P.Jackson was one of four black belts that taught in the area. Paul Jackson Woodson rec. center, Steve Kent Cisco Tx. (50 mi from Abilene) Lupe Gonzales. Sears park rec. and Jerry Jordon YMCA. All of these guys came from the same program that G. Jackson started and you dont see there names on the tree. I dont think we where left with any infomation that would keep us intouch with anyone in the Kajukenbo system so know one knew we where there or knew that Kajukembo was being taught in west Texas after all the air force guys left. P.Jackson stayed around for two more after he got out of the air force.
All he left me with is what I knew and that was nothing about anyone on the West coast or anywher else for that fact. I meet GM. Peralata by luck at a Dallas tournament.
and if it wasnt for meeting him I would not have been on the tree myself. P. Jackson has been hard to find I have  tride for many years but to no avail. So now that we have opened that file if anyone out there can help with locating Paul Jackson let me know please. Just to put point on what I just answered as far as I know we where all under G.Jackson so that would be the line. Thank you so much for you questions and concerns.
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2004, 07:39:21 AM »
Abilene TX is in the middle of no where. very small town and I'll bet back then very isolated. 2hrs from Ft. Worth, 4hrs from San Antonio and I think 2 or 3hrs from Lubbock.  

Claudio,
I have to agree with you on Abilene being a little isolated. I have lived in Texas now for 10 years, I came from the West Coast.. I went thru Abilene only 1 time on the way to Denver for the WEKAF national stick fighting championships... You are a pretty good stretch from the Kajukenbo schools in Texas I am familiar with.

I have met most of the Texas ohana, but have not had the pleasure of getting together with the Noble system brothers and sisters yet.

I am in Georgetown, near Austin. Most of the Austin ohana can be traced back thru Professor Dann Baker and Tony Lassit.

Do you know Sigung Craig Spears? I believe he is now under G.M. Nahoolewa. We have spent some time training together. He is a good man.

You can trace my lineage up through Sigung Brian Yoshii, Through G.M. Gaylord back to Sijo. We have a few Gaylord method schools in Texas, but besides my group most of them are down by the coast near Mercedes & McAllen. Sifu Wong is in Houston, and there are a couple of schools in San Antonio.

I know of Sifu Cox, and I am pretty sure he knows who I am, but we have yet to meet.

I would like to give an open invitation to all of your crew to come on over to Georgetown and we can all share some stories, some training, and maybe put some meat on the grill and get to know each other.

Better yet, let's make it a Texas gathering..

Shodanson,
When your schedule normalizes, we should set a time for a Texas Kaju Que and training. Austin is pretty much in the middle of the state, so we can do it there..

We have some pretty good parks in Georgetown, and we could fire up the grill, and all get to know each other better.

Anybody up for it??

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Re:Noble System
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2004, 07:48:54 AM »
I just re-read my last post...

Just to be clear..

Texas Ohana gathering would be for all Texas schools and all other Kajukenbo family members that want to make the trip from anywhere...

If your Kajukenbo, your invited  :-)


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Re:Noble System
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2004, 07:57:23 AM »
Thank you so much for clearling that up. I am from texas but now live and teach in NC. so if by chance that kaju-que takes place while im visiting home its good know that I am welcome to come.

and I agree about mr. spears he is a good man.
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2004, 10:53:44 AM »
Sifu Goldade

I've never met Sigung Spears as far as I know. I see Mr. Mcdaniels knows who is though.  I've heard of you also; ' I've done some research over the past few years'

I'm going to be coming home as it were for about two months. I'm changing jobs and the military is sending me to School in San Antonio for 2 months starting in February. I think I can make it at least once on a weekend and train with you if thats alright with you.

A Texas get together sounds great. The guys/gals in Abilene for the most part only get to read about all of you. They would love it. ;D
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2004, 11:54:45 AM »
Sifu Dino,

It's just down the road for us that are up in Missouri City and we can get a lift from Shodanson.   ;)  Remember this we only got a 3 month window to play in.

Ride a train huh Claude.   ;D  Cause we know it's not the Mat.....

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Re:Noble System
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2004, 11:55:14 AM »
I have not been on the cafe in a minute and just seen this thread about the Noble System. I'm a 4th under Prof. Morales (Gaylord Method) and have been living in NC for the last couple of years. I do know Mr. McDaniel but have only had the pleasure of talking to him on the phone. Pat, unless you changed your name to Kimberly, I dont have your new number, LOL. If you get the chance email me or give me a call, I would love to get together with you before I head back to Cali next summer.
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Re:Noble System
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2004, 12:02:50 PM »
Sifu Kai,
I can get Sigung John no problem. If you can get Sigung Mockie out that would be way cool...

I wonder if we do enough asking maybe we could get Sigung Yoshii to show up.... He needs to come check on his grand kids anyway.. :-)

Let me know your schedule, and we can plan on it..

Good times for all..

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Re:Noble System
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2004, 05:12:45 PM »
Yep,
Good ole Yoshii's Kajukenbo... I loved that place.. Chi all over.. bangin all the time.. Before class, during class, after class...  KAJUKENBO!!!!

I've had my nose busted, my shoulder dislocated, my neck knocked out of place, and more than a few deja vu moments :-) We learned the value of being able to take a shot for sure.

Thank God for brother Bono.. He always popped us back into place.. And more than one trip to the E.R. to get somebody sewed up.

Did I say I loved that place   :)
I miss Sigung B.Y a bunch... I am gonna get him out here.



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Re:Noble System
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2004, 07:34:18 PM »
Howdy ya’ll....
All this talk of Texas, training and beef sounds great!  I got hungry and tired just going through the thread.  (Hey Sifu Kailee, I finally learned to start at the beginning of the post..yeah! - learned my lesson!!)  ;D
I enjoyed reading about Sifu McDaniel’s and his perseverance to remain loyal to his teachers and KAJUKENBO.
Sifu McDaniel’s, I am very impressed with your strong will of mind and body in sticking with your belief and vision for what KAJUKENBO meant and means to you.  That will to overcome the "KuKai" flying at you from all directions says allot on your behalf.  I'm happy we didn’t' lose you along the way to frustration and politics!  Good for you...
I remember back in the late '80's, SIJO was living with me in San Clemente and someone sent us a VHS tape of the Noble System explaining to SIJO the purpose and concept as to where and why it came about.  I remember SIJO was mostly impressed with the determination and strong belief in what they were doing with what support they had.  SIJO said, "At least their trying, and had the respect and courtesy to present the whole thing to him for review?!"  His comment after the video...."Heyyyyyy, Right On Bra!"  Creativity.  We offered for them to come to So. Cal. for training, but never happened.  The ting I remember most about the tape was "The TEXAS THUNDER" there was a big storm and as everyone lined up to pay respect to SIJO, this huge burst of thunder dropped everyone to the floor".  I still have the "Noble Tape".  I was impressed considering the circumstances.
Before I "duck and cover", I just have to put my humble 2 cents into the "M&N" issue.  I was present at the last meeting between SIJO, GM Aleju and others that were instrumental in the "M&N" thing.  I just hate to see everyone spending (I didn't say wasting) so much time over what to me anyway is a "non issue"
Bottom line as I witnessed it:  The "N's" wouldn't agree to what the "M's" wanted to do (but they were still "N's" at that time) SOOOO, Texas became the home and spawning place of the "M's" and un-fortunately didn't share too much history or info on the world of the "N's" and now we have allot of fantastic, loyal and hungry people of all rank discovering that "N" really does come before "M".
Simple enough?  One slip of the wrist and "M" can rightfully return "N" to its original location.....
Hey, whatever, as long as you train like mad men/women hit hard, love SIJO and like to eat.  The rest is small stuff!
Even though there's all this "Waha" about two letters making some difference, look at the support and acceptance you're receiving from all your fellow KAJUKENBO Texan’s (Hey Kailee 8) good one eh?)
In an article about 15-20 years ago for Black Belt, they asked me "If I had only one message to give to KAJUKENBO practitioners around the world, what would it be?"
My answer:   SHUT UP AND TRAIN>>>>>>
Is there anything better than training that can change or evolve us towards SIJOs goals and those of our teachers?
OK.....I'm outta here and going back to Cali Cali!  ;D
God bless SIJO, KAJUKENBO, ALL OF YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES and GOD BLESS TEXAS!  ;)
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