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Offline ZDawson

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Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« on: October 01, 2005, 03:02:36 PM »
I awoke one day to find myself as a member of a Cult. I was dazed; around me a saws the signs and did not know how in the hell I managed to get myself into this position. I considered myself a self-aware, reasonably intelligent person with a strong since of self.  Not only had I become a member, I was a leader.  I wore the uniform, I spoke the propaganda and I fostered the belief in the cult to others. I had become brainwashed. I like many others was a martial arts student.  How do you tell if you are at a martial student or if you are a cult member?
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2005, 11:05:31 PM »
I would say the test is how you respond to criticism of your system.  If you can acknowledge the holes in your instruction/system, then you are still "just" a student.  If you respond with blind devotion to the instructor/system, then perhaps there is something to be concerned about.
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2005, 12:10:11 PM »
I still see myself as a student, as I don't concern myself with the politics. I'm only interested in the being the best fighter I can be, and reconize all systems as having value. Well... excpet cardo stuff.  ;D
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 08:58:36 PM »
 Here is a great article on the subject.    http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/cults.htm
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2005, 11:45:41 AM »
May the infidels tremble in fear.

The flip side of that entire article is that there are good people in this world, in this system that are teaching a legitimate art that hides no secrets. Praise be to Jabba!

May Jabba favor my teacher.

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Offline Brandi Ross

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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2005, 02:35:37 PM »
That is a great article.

Praise be to Jabba

Sigung,

Do you mean Jabba the Hut? ;D  If so, then may the force be with you.

On a more serious side, the article was interesting. 

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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2005, 02:54:09 PM »
Quote from: Marc MacYoung
Not only for giggles, but to see the kind of fanaticism and fantasy I am talking about, try going to the forum of a group that you suspect might be leaning towards cult-status.  Read the posts. As you do try saying "Praise be to Jabba" after every time someone uses the system's name. Whenever someone mentions a title/rank as though it were a part of a persons name (i.e. Master Who Flung Poo) or speaks in reverence of someone,  add in "May Jabba favor him." And every time someone says how the grand, glorious and deadly a fighting system it is (or  how undefeatable a move from it is) add "The infidels will tremble in fear" Count how many times that happens on a particular thread.
It was in reference to a conversation betwen Bin Laden and the cleric. To not offend Islam, which by-in-large, disapproves of terrorism, he substituted Jabba (like the Hut) for the name of God.
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2005, 05:07:36 PM »
Thanks,  I guess I forgot about the earlier reference... Ooops! :o
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Re: Martial Arts Student or Cult Member?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2005, 06:47:35 PM »
Very good article above, I can see how someone would fall into a cult feeling very easily. I always keep my goals in mind what I am I there for and am I learning what I came for.

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