Additional Styles & Kajukenbo

[Mike Nagano]

On a similar note to "Favorite Techniques," for those who train in Kajukenbo and have had training in other styles (Escrima/Arnis, Jiujitsu, Aikido, etc.), how have you incorporated these other styles into your Kajukenbo training and/or teaching?

[Nagi]

On a similar note to "Favorite Techniques," for those who train in Kajukenbo and have had training in other styles (Escrima/Arnis, Jiujitsu, Aikido, etc.), how have you incorporated these other styles into your Kajukenbo training and/or teaching?

I currently study two styles Kempo/Karazenpo Go Shinjutsu and Hapkido. On my own I can't help but to mix the 2 styles together but when in teaching Hapkido at my school I just teach Hapkido. Every once in a while if it's a small higher ranking class I'll teach a bit of Kempo sometimes mixed with Hapkido to the higher ranks since they know the difference between the two. I wouldn't want the lower belts getting confused or getting the wrong idea about the art they are studying. I think the 2 art's compliment each other very nicely- Hapkido, Korean kicking, joint locking, grappling, breakfall's and flowing from one lock to another.
As a side note I would never mix the 2 and come up with my own art like some other's have done
 
Sensei Ron  

[Jon Pack]

Our schools main system is Shaolin Kempo Karate. Our influences are many. The topic of discussion tonight in class was different influences. We have Black Belts drop in from time to time. Tonight we were doing a technique where we start with a hand combination then add a kick then a take down/lock then finish the progression with multiple strike ground/finish work.  When we progressed to an arm bar the Black Belt offered... do the technique from the Professor. I looked at him laughed and said which one. Not which tech. which professor!
We worked out what move he was refering to (the wing lock tech.) a favorite which no one likes done on them. Anyways after class I reflected on the many influences with him.
The list:
Woods,DeMasco,Villari-Shaolin Kempo Karate
Cerio-Nick Cerio Kenpo
Pesare,Gascon-KarazenpoGoShinJutsu
Emperado-Kajukenbo
Chow,Mitose,Mutobu-Kenpo Jujitsu
Parker-American Kenpo
Tuliosega-Lima Lama
Duarte-Duarte Methode Kenpo Jujitsu
Chun-Chun/Chow
Yamashita-Shuikendo
Oyama-Kyokushinkai
Nishiuchi-Kobudo
Presas-Modern Arnis
Man-Wing Chun
Hsu-Chen Tai Chi
My main interest is Chow lineage influences, and those who influenced the Masters in our lineage. Also other arts that I see as an extensions of knowledge of our system.
Jon Pack
Chippewa Valley Kempo

[Jon Pack]

Just wanted to note that I only hold rank in SKK and are by no means a Master at this time. I don't want to misrepresent myself.

I see my school as a lab/platform to delve into the Kempo lineage I find so fascinating, i.e. Chow lineage.

I will say that I have set long range goals in which I have working knowlege of many different aspects of training to be able to be a qualtity teachers teacher. Also to be able to step into any training forum and represent well my lineage.

I can't believe I forgot about Mr. Yamash_ta's name on my last post. Please don't tell him where I live!

Jon Pack

[kajukenmen]

Thats a good question. Kajukenbo being a mixed art is perfect for blending with others. Myself coming from Kajukenbo Kenpo branch from 91' I look toward systems that work in real self defense situations.

I started Brazilian Juijitsu in 95' after sparring with a Gracie Representitive and being choked and arm/lock with ease plus watching a skinny Royce gracie beat a Big wrestler named Dan Severn in UFC.

Being that Ju branch was part of Kajukenbo I thought it was only logical to strenghten that side.  It addition Sigung John Bishop wrote an article called battle of the arts "Kajukenbo vs. Gracie Juijitsu." I thought perfect just blend it.

It worked great BJJ helped my training in Kajukenbo greatly and introduced me to Alive training concept which increased my confidence in handling myself.

Next was strengthing the BO branch with American Boxing/ Muay thai for striking. Again alive training against an uncoopertive opponent

Finally Villibrille Kali/dog brothers style stick fighting. for sticks and knife fighting ;simplicity which Sigung Gelinas can attest to and again part of the alive concept .

I read a lot of concepts from straightblast gym and trained with martial athletes like Egan Inoue, Matt thornton, Frank shamrock, Murillo Bustamante etc..which gave good insights on martial combat science

To be well rounded you need a:

Striking game: Muay thai, boxing etc..
Clinch Game: Muay thai(plum), Greco Roman clinching(real trapping)
Ground Game: Brazillian Juijitsu,
Self Defense street: Kajukenbo self defense
Weapons: Kali, Escrima, Silat,

[kajukenmen]

Also if you look at these arts most of them are simple non complicated with 500+ techniques. Just a few simple techniques used in combinations:

Muay thai- 8 weapons: boxing hands with simplistic devastaing kicks elbows and knees. plum clinch

Boxing-jab, right cross, hooks, uppercuts

Greco Roman- under/overhooks, body lock takedown, throws

BJJ- armlock, chokes, leglocks many variations but the same ones in real nhb competitions win. Not complicated chain locks.

Dog brothers- Show your basic cenco tero 5 strikes used with movement and power with angles- Very few complicated strikes and even less disarms in real combat.

Just repitition of the basics that work in alive situations.
then you throw in the street self defense of Kajukenbo(inside fighting) with bar, elevator scenarios and mix it up.

[Karazenpo]

  Kajukenmen, I agree with you 100 per cent.  Brother Gerry, I pretty much have the same curriculum as you but no way nearly as strong on Escrima/Kali. I've taken it only in various seminars over the years so I have some surface art exposure but don't consider myself proficient in it.  I am very comfortable using a knife and a stick for self defense but no way would I consider myself an Escrima or Kali instructor.  Aloha, Brother Joe

[Cassidy Drake]

I incorporate a lot of tracy kenpo aspects to my training.  They aren't that far off on a lot of things.  But there were no throws in the style.