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Offline Danjo

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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2011, 12:20:42 AM »
Excellent post Sifu Chambers!
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2011, 10:44:07 AM »
My suggestion on how to keep the stress level up durring Kaju training: Of course we all know that testing is one of the best methods, but we do not test on a regular basis. Other things you can do is put pressure on the students by 1) Telling them to perform faster. 2) Tell them to over exagerate by telling them to kick higher, punch stronger, lower stances. etc. etc.3)when a student shows an opening...hit them where the opening is...not hard, but just enough to let them know they showed an opening. 4)Allow contact ( most if not all Kaju. does in fact do this) between students. Note: It is important to start with lighter contact and progress through the ranks from white to black belt. 5)The walking around management tool: The head instructor does make the students nervouse, especially if they know you are really watching and grading them. I always tell the students that they are testing in every class and not just on test dates. 6)Throw them a curve by throwing in a diffrent weapon such as a stick or knife when conducting empty hand drills. 7) Much like #6 throw in another attacker or be an attacker yourself to keep up the Kaju students gaurd performing the drill or sparring. 8)Constantly ingrain in the students brains that your aggression button has to be turned on immediatly when a possible violent situation arises and explain to them that aggression is more attitude that can develope into action if needed. Hope this helps.
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2011, 10:57:37 AM »
I THINK THAT ONE WITH THE INSTRUCTOR SCARING THE STUDENTS IS A GREAT WAY TO GET THE STRESS LEVEL UP.WHEN EVER MY SIFU CAME CLOSE TO ME OR WOULD WALK BEHIND ME MY BRAIN WOULD JUST START YELLING DANGER! AND EVEN WHEN HE DID NOT ATTACK ME [WHICH WAS RARE]I WOULD STILL BE TRYING TO KEEP HIM IN SIGHT AT THE SAME TIME AS DEFENDING MYSELF FROM MY TRAINING PARTNER
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 02:08:51 PM »
Excellent post Sifu Chambers!
Thank you sir.
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2011, 07:08:14 AM »
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2011, 08:46:12 AM »
Your technique is not going to save you on the street.. It is your hard training, conditioning, and hours upon hours of fighting thru the pain and coming back day after day because it is a part of you.. No style, technique, art or whateva ever won a street fight... If you win it will be because you will not quit till you win!! Your heart, not your technique will rule supreme.
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2011, 03:36:43 PM »
I *think* understand the last two posts, but am not sure so let me ask:  you're not saying that technique isn't a key factor in a street fight.  You're saying to get beyond being "conscious" of your technique?
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2011, 12:48:38 AM »
Aloha,  When it has come down to the actual street fight, it's my experience that there isn't time to chose a technique or evaluate the attacker's "style" to counter.  It's get busy time...and that's why it's so important to train techniques OVER AND OVER again.  It's not the whole self defense set that kicks in, it's the parts (flow) that surface because of training.  Kajukenbo has helped me survive on the street, mostly because of my awareness and self confidence, but also because of the training.  Once the adrenaline kicks in all the "plans" go out the window.  What we are left with is our training and fighting spirit. 
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 03:06:03 AM »
By training repetitively in the drills, etc.. we are able to respond to violence without thought. In essence we are attacking the fright within us without thought for personal well-being. It often happens so quickly before we realize what has happened it is over and we realize that we have neutralized the threat. No real recollection of what happened. Only repetition in the drills and meeting the fear head on in training can prepare us for this kind of thing. If we have to question whether what we are doing will work in the street, we need to dig deeper and find out what really scares us - and train with it.

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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2011, 10:41:06 AM »
Well many times I have seen a student used a well placed eye poke or groin kick....that to me is a technique. 
I would always want a tenacious tough person to back me...but in reality the fight should be very short and to the point.
Now with multiple fighters it's a different story....
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2011, 10:11:57 AM »
If it were just conditioning, then any triathalete should be able to whip anyone who is in inferior condition. However, I do agree that running out of gas makes one's techniques very hard to use if the fight goes for more than a minute or so.
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2011, 04:49:00 PM »
Well many times I have seen a student used a well placed eye poke or groin kick....that to me is a technique. 
I would always want a tenacious tough person to back me...but in reality the fight should be very short and to the point.
Now with multiple fighters it's a different story....

Brother John,
What I meant by technique, is a trick or a pre-set technique ( punch art / grab art )... While they are important to help us understand motion, and ways to string (techniques) together, it is the ability to understand your position recognition ( where you are, and what you can do from there ) your targets, and then the understanding of the basic techniques such as a poke, a kick, a punch etc... All stem from that under stress.

When under attack there are really 2 considerations your mind can process "targets & weapons".. What can I hit, and what can I hit it with..

The tricks / techniques are important to teach us a variety of ways to find those targets, and the weapons we can use. But what I meant in my last post is that the trick as taught will rarely happen as taught.. But the follow ups, the ability to take a shot, the ability to hit hard, the ability to be willing to deal out an asp whuppin.. Those are all attributes we develop  through technique / trick training as well as the Kaju way of trial and error.

It is like school... You learn math by learning to add and subtract, but later you learn algebra, and you need to figure out how to solve an equation... It is not the initial learning method you use now in it's true form, but you use that skill to problem solve, and figure out your own way to get the answer... Same with the arts.. We use the basics, but then problem solve, and learn to react as needed with what technique is needed.

We have the ability over time to be spontaneous... That is the higher level of tricks... Have someone attack you, and develop your own response based on your attributes.. It is not important if I move just as taught, but I survive the attack even if it is my expression of what I was taught..

Have you ever used punch art 1a as taught in a conflict?.. I am positive that you used elements of 1a - 21b and your own expression to solve the problem, but that was your expression of how to utilize your training... Techniques / Tricks are like any drill. They need to be practiced to develop a skill. But once that skill is developed it needs to be taken to another level.

I know you have been in plenty of scraps brother... And you made it work, but I will be willing to bet it wasn't by the book... Basics and techniques, but applied YOUR way.

I hope this makes sense, if not I will try again... Keep up the hard training, I miss you Amigo.
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2011, 06:48:32 PM »
Got ya Deano....figured that's what your take was....remember Viper Seeking Pearls or
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2011, 06:49:16 PM »
Goodtimes....and usually or was top of mellon meets face.....
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Re: Would your techniques really work on the street?
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2011, 09:35:16 AM »
Or Monkey snatches pearls....  ::)

Either way.. The intent of my reply was to say we NEED the tricks, technique training, and all the conditioning and hard work we learn from the Kaju..

But the Kaju really surfaces when we can SEPERATE the motion from conscious thought to unconscious thought.. (spontaneous reaction)... We train pre-set motion to develop spontaneous motion.. Short and sweet..

The key word is stay on the mat with your instructor and train hard... He will show you in his own way.

Keep  up the hard training.

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