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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #30 on: September 03, 2006, 01:37:26 AM »
   I would like to hear from people that have Actually been in a fight, not just hear say or theory.
So how much does someone have to do to be hurt by you???

Well, if it's at my work dealing with behavior conduct kids in high school, all it takes is for them to lay a hand on me or anyone else before I get ahold of them and end it (no punches though). Happens on average about five times per year.

If I'm talking about the last fight I was in...that would be 1995 when I was only 28 years old. I had two that year so here goes:

First one was behind my in-law's house up in Kern County. I was looking out of their sliding glass door over the brick wall at the appartment complex that was there. Well there was a man with hair down to his waist (I use the term "man" in it's broadest possible definition) hitting a woman in the face while she was holding a baby in her arms! ( I kid you not). Well, my mind went into that sort of "everything becomes surreal state" and I remember yelling at him to stop. This was as I was walking towards them. I went up and over the wall and he was still ignoring me and still hitting her. I grabbed him by his hair with my right hand and spun him around towards me. He then grabbed my waist (why he did that I have no idea) and I proceeded to elbow the hell out of his upper back until he let go. Once he'd let go, I grabbed his hair again and jerked him to the ground where I kneeled on top of him and proceeded to smash his nose as flat as a panacake (Litterally). He seemed out of it and I let him up. He then walked about ten feet away, stopped, and picked up a chunk of concrete and threatened to hit me with it while trying to stay on his feet. I ran towards him, jump-kicked him in the chest ---nothing fancy, just the kind of kick you'd used to kick in a door---which sent him straight over backwards, and proceeded to beat on him some more. Finally, his wife/girfriend or whatever (Baby's momma?) started screaming at me to stop and that she was going to call the police (how's that for grattitude?). Well, I stopped and told the dude to leave (Yes he was still conscious for some reason). He left and the woman went back inside her appartment. That's the last I heard of it.

The last fight was at the hotel I was living in while I was getting through my first two years of college. I heard screaming at about 3 AM. and put my jeans on to see what was going on. There was a "man" shoving one woman (Later turned out to be his mom the current hotel manager) and then hitting another (his girlfriend). Well, I went out and shoved the guy from behind (he was only about 140 lbs to my then 190 lbs) and he went flying pretty far. He was VERY drunk and came back at me half heartedly with his fists up and a mean/scared/confused look on his face. I just kicked him in the balls and slapped him so hard that he went over sideways and stayed on the ground crying (No kidding). Well, his mom came over then and begged me to stop (She was totally drunk too along with his girlfriend.) So I went back to my room. Later the drunken mom came to my room and tried to explain why her son really wasn't a dirtbag etc. But I knew the owners of the Hotel and called them the next day and had the manager fired.

So there you go. I was a hero twice :) sigh. So much for gallantry eh?

Another funny one was when I was about 21 and I went to a dance at the local VFW building. I went alone thinking I'd have a good time picking up on girls. Well, when I got there I ran into a friend of mine and his girlfriend and said something that I can't remember. Well I guess it sounded like I was insulting another guy's friends because he came over to me and got right in my face and started screaming at me asking if I wanted to fight. I was there less than two minutes before this happened and was wearing a new shirt. Well I actually tried to talk this guy out of fighting me since I knew that he was mistaken in what I had said, but the more I tried, the more agitated he got thinking that I was afraid of him. Finally when he simply refused to stop, I went outside with him to the dirt parking lot. We squared off and he threw a wild punch that was easy to duck and I just grabbed him and threw him on the ground. He landed on his hands and knees and I went down and tried to knee him in the ribs only to smack my thigh on his elbow which gave me a charleyhorse from hell! I then just got him in a Full Nelson and smashed his forhead into the dirt and kept cranking until he said he gave up. (No kidding he acutally said "I give! I give!") Well, remembering my best school yard rules, I let him up and he just walked away. About an hour later, I went outside and found him sitting in a car still nursing his wounds. I was finally able to explain to him that I had not said what he thought I did. He believed me this time adn didnt take it for fear. I wonder why? :)

Well, I don't know what this accomplishes, but there you go. There's tons more, but those are fairly typical. I'm quite sure that there's better stories than mine here on this board.
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2006, 02:39:33 AM »
Now these are the type of answers I was looking for....let's see what else comes up...very good answers in those last few....Peace
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2006, 01:29:44 PM »
Not bad at all...Tell Big Art and Santino.....More power to them from me if you get the chance Professor....
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2006, 05:52:50 PM »
I can see why...and why there is little tolerance for the wanna bees.....
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2006, 10:33:43 PM »
Now people are stepping up and telling some truth.......I like it........
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2006, 04:08:09 PM »
About three years ago, I was woken up at 2:30 in the morning to the sound of a woman screaming, and some guy yelling at her. I went to the front door and looked out but did not see anyone, but they were still yelling at each other. I walked down the driveway just far enough to seem the couple. I turned back around to walk into the house and leave them alone. However, just as I got to the front door I heard the sound of some being hit and then she started crying. I went out to the road to tell them to take it down the street, but the guy decided that he did not want to take it down the street. He got in my face and started yelling all kinds of stuff at me. However, you just cannot reason with someone who is drunk. Then he sucker punched me good, but not good enough. He came over top of me to deliver some more blows, but I nailed him with a nice groin shot, scooped him up and slammed him down, and neck cranked him. He decided at this point that he should probably take my advice and settle down before he really got hurt. Next thing I know, there are a bunch of people running up the street. I let the drunk up when his friends arrived to escort him home. Then a lady who I went to college with recognized me and started yelling at the guy telling him he should not a messed with me because I am a black belt. Then this guy starts yelling and screaming, “He didn't tell me his was a black belt!" He must a said it a dozen times. His friends are trying to shut him up but he would not listen. Eventually he calmed down, and wanted to shake my hand. Fat chance! I told him next time, I will just call the cops and he could take a nice vacation.  Even though he lived on the same street as me, he never walked by my house anymore, at least when I was home.

Another fight I got into when I was about 22, I was remodeling apartments with my uncle, when this guy next door the apartment we were remodeling, decides that he was drunk enough to start calling me a mother ^&%%&**&. At the point in my life, those were fighting words. So, I dropped my tool belt and told him to bring it on. As he threw a couple sloppy roundhouses, then a couple sloppy kicks, I just moved away from them. I let him attempt a couple more playground punches before I moved in and tossed him with a hard shoulder throw. He hit and I followed by putting him into a scarf hold. He decided that he needed to bite me, so re adjusted myself and moved into a guillotine and choked him out. I brought him back to and he was much calmer now. Shortly after, the sheriff arrives and talks to us. Neither one of us wanted to press charges, so the sheriff called it "mutual combat" and left. The rest of the time we were working on the apartments, he would take smack, I offered to let him back up his trash talking, but he declined. Wonder why?

When I was 11, my mom met the guy who decided that he needed to hit her in front of me. So, I decided that I need to drop kick him through the sliding glass door. This would be the last time that we would get into a fight. Another time, he came at me with a pickaxe; I lunched him with tome nage and followed with several kicks and knee drops. I cannot remember all the fights I got into with that guy. But the last fight with him was probably ten years ago.

Now that I am a little older, it takes a little more to get me involved. However, if I see a man hitting a woman, I will probably get involved. If someone touched anyone in my immediate family, heaven help them, because they are going to need all the help they can get.
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2006, 04:50:35 PM »
Now your just taking in circles...you could be provoked into a fight...or you would be thumped, we try to stay away from words games here.  If you read what I had asked, I wanted straight forward answers....not circles..either your in or your out....simple as that...
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2006, 04:28:04 PM »
Once again a confused answer, if someone came up to you and slapped you in the face and you fought back you were provoked into a fight.  I think that is clear to anyone who has actually been in a fight....
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2006, 04:41:29 PM »
Now your just taking in circles...you could be provoked into a fight...or you would be thumped, we try to stay away from words games here.  If you read what I had asked, I wanted straight forward answers....not circles..either your in or your out....simple as that...
You are mistaken.  A "fight" is an agreement between two people.  Self defense IS NOT a "fight".  I cannot be any more "straight forward".  Go to court and tell a judge that you agreed to a fight.  Go to court and prove you did not "fight" but used physical force to defend yourself.  See which one lands you in jail.  I'll repeat it:  I cannot be provoked into a fight.  

You asked what can make me enter into a fight:  I will not enter a fight, period.

You asked what someone would have to do to be hurt by me:  Touch me without my permission when the intent is a threat.  Tell me you're going to kick my butt and then make any move that any rational person would interpret as a step towards carrying out that threat.  Threaten anyone close by who makes it clear that they want to be left alone while taking a substantial step towards carrying out that threat (bully).  If I step in to defend someone else, see the first answer to this question.

This is just semantics.... Everyone should know what Sigung Bono is talking about when he says what would does it take to provoke you into a fight... It is easy to say fighting is not self-defense. But..... If you are attacked violently are you not possibly "fighting for your life"??

You answered the question pretty well at the end of the post, but all the arguing about what constitutes fighting vs self-defense is pointless..

If someone pushes me or takes a shot at me, or moves aggressively toward me or someone I care about, or am in charge of, we are going to Fight.. This is not an agreed contest, I would be forced to act, but it would be a fight not a contest.

I may be acting in self-defense, but if we are throwing blows we are fighting........ An agreed to sparring match or contest, or schoolyard boxing match is not a real fight.. It is a contest or a match.. Whether on the street or not.





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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2006, 05:34:07 PM »
Whoa that rude answer was there and now it is not.....that's funny...
Original question was..


   
   Provoked into a fight?
« on: August 31, 2006, 08:41:14 AM »
   
So boys and girls, let me ask you what can make you enter into a fight.
   I would like to hear from people that have Actually been in a fight, not just hear say or theory.
So how much does someone have to do to be hurt by you???
Yes I rhymed....why does that make you want to fight?


Defintion of fight from Websters;
1 a : to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons b : to engage in boxing
2 : to put forth a determined effort
transitive verb
1 a (1) : to contend against in or as if in battle or physical combat
(2) : to box against in the ring b
(1) : to attempt to prevent the success or effectiveness of <the company fought the takeover attempt>
 (2) : to oppose the passage or development
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2006, 06:05:55 PM »
So Sigung Dean did KJTumPai just magically evaporate??  Luckily you had pasted his quote before all was lost......
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2006, 06:40:42 PM »
So Sigung Dean did KJTumPai just magically evaporate??  Luckily you had pasted his quote before all was lost......

Don't know brother.... I saw it before I posted, and I haven't even had a beer today.... ( Yet )...  ::)
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2006, 06:41:33 PM »
Or Vodka......Yet
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2006, 01:22:46 PM »
im inmy twenties so this response wont be in past tense. i amnot easily provoked but it isnt rediclously hard for me to get mad so i try notto go out and put myself into those types of situations.

reason for me to fight:

-extremely disrespectful comments followed by a physical touch or push might result in few quick back knuckles to the face or throat
-anyone touching or breaking my glasses on purpose, i know it sounds dumbe but i hate when people do that and plus i get really wild when i dont have my glasses becuase i cant realy see who it is so everyone moving towards me is now a aggressor so i defend myslef accordingly.
-aggtersion towards anyoof my family memebers expecially my little sisiter or mother
-lastly being cornered by some dudes witht he intent to mess me up

yes all these sound like could be avoided and i try to but sometimes my youth over takes my better judgement and i get sucked into a fight. B-ez SLIM
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Re: Provoked into a fight?
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2006, 02:24:54 PM »
Good answers Slim, but please post your real name and school it's a requirement of the Cafe....Peace
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