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Karazenpo

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"Game of Death"
« on: July 11, 2003, 01:21:13 PM »
   In a recent phone conversation with brother Peter Teymouraz we got on the subject of James Mitose and the Hawaiian kempo heritage. Peter brought up a very interesting point that I never thought of before when I was addressing the "Mitose controversy". He was discussing how everyone, (I'm paraphrasing), dis's Mitose for his visit to Mr. Parker's school when he demonstrated that technique against a punch attack where he dropped down to the floor and punched the attacker on the instep. I, myself, was taken aback by that. Peter reminded me, however, that the late Bruce Lee did the same technique in the original 10 minutes of footage he filmed with Kareem Abdul Jabar in "Game of Death" which was spliced in at the end of the movie. Now, don't get me wrong. I know the movie wasn't a good flick, with all the camera tricks, speeded up film, splice ins and a poor script which had nothing to do with Lee's original plans but I'm speaking only of that 10 minute or so part at the end that Lee, himself, filmed in the yellow jump suit.
   I believe that was called the 'Pagoda' scene where Lee had to go up several floors and fight masters of various arts to get to the top floor where he faced Kareem who represented "no style" (which in reality was what Lee preached in real life). My point being this was a well thought out scene by Lee with much hidden meaning and symbolism. He took his later fight scenes very seriously and every move was well thought out. I believe he had no control over the quality of his earlier movies. Again, my point is maybe we missed something of what  Mitose demonstated in Mr. Parker's dojo that day. I never heard anyone criticize Lee's actual footage that he filmed shortly before his untimely death which made up only a miniscule part of that movie. This was Mr. Teymourez's contention and it made me think. He's right, no one really said anything negative on Lee's last film sequences, they're classic! Yet, we constantly hear of the 'ridiculous' technique Mitose demonstrated in front of Gm. Parker and his students. In my research of James Mitose I always stated I would be open minded  and unbiased in a search for the truth, the good with the bad. I'm just suggesting a different perspective from this part of his life which is still criticized today.  ;)Thanks, 'Brother Peter for pointing this out to me, maybe it wasn't so 'ridiculous' afterall. I saw the movie many years ago, I will have to review it again.
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« Last Edit: July 12, 2003, 07:48:36 AM by Shihan Joe Shuras »

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Re:"Game of Death"
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2003, 01:53:35 PM »
Hey Brother Joe,

The scene I was talking about was in "Enter the Dragon" in the oppening sequence of Kumite. Lee drops down and punches the then Young opponent (I don't remember his name). The opponent lifts his leg and then Lee throws him down with a leg lock. A very effective strategy to take the weight off his leg.  The early Kempo and Jujutsu practitioners of the island attested to Mitose's prowess and then politics creeped in!

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Re:"Game of Death"
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2003, 02:05:05 PM »
Brother Peter, I could swear it was in 'Game of Death' also. I remember a scene where Kareem is hopping around on one foot after Lee whacks him. I'll have to check it out again. Anybody else?


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Re:"Game of Death"
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2003, 03:02:53 PM »
I think that one was a stomp. Hey I just called you. No one picked up.Where are you?
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Re:"Game of Death"
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2003, 06:59:42 AM »
Peter, I just got your message this morning. I was at work yesterday when you must have called. That's where I posted from. Yeah, I think that was a stomp. So, it was Enter the Dragon with the punch to the instep then, still makes the point though with Mitose, just the wrong movie, lol.  Now, thinking back, I do remember that scene in the begining. Enter the Dragon still had carefully choreographed fight scenes by Lee and was his first American produced movie, Warner Bros., I believe.  As a matter of fact, it was actually the last movie he made. What were the politics against Mitose in Hawaii that you mentioned?   Respectfully, Brother Joe
« Last Edit: July 12, 2003, 07:47:24 AM by Shihan Joe Shuras »

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Re: "Game of Death"
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2006, 12:44:39 PM »
The documentry (shown a lot on AMC channel, actually) about Lee's intentional
GAME OF DEATH footage shows the full length of the original footage.  Docu is
called "Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey".  Worth seeing.  Owning.  Reviewing.

If ANYONE knows what Lee says to Inosanto during part of the clip where
they are fighting each other and the dialog goes silent...DO TELL !!!
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Re: "Game of Death"
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2006, 05:24:24 PM »
Kareem is 7'2, it was easier to stomp or punch his foot / leg than it was to hit him in the face unless Kareem was crouching.

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Re: "Game of Death"
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2006, 06:58:47 PM »
The documentry (shown a lot on AMC channel, actually) about Lee's intentional
GAME OF DEATH footage shows the full length of the original footage.  Docu is
called "Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey".  Worth seeing.  Owning.  Reviewing.

If ANYONE knows what Lee says to Inosanto during part of the clip where
they are fighting each other and the dialog goes silent...DO TELL !!!

Hunter,

To the comment on when the silent dialogue is speaking, I have seen another version of the same footage, but the voices are a lot different and everything, but they try to interpret that part as him saying something about the "bamboo becoming a sword."  I am not sure if this the true dialogue, as a matter of fact, I'm only about 10% sure haha.  Anyway, this is what I have seen, and not what I believe.  The voices are indeed different, so it could be a fake, you'll never know these days.  However, in that footage, I think he says something like... "This bamboo becomes a sword." at the end of the dialogue.  Hope this interests you.

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Re: "Game of Death"
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 08:03:49 PM »
Well thanks for that. I had no clue otherwise.
Perhaps, though, it is time to ask Dan Inosanto
what he himself remembers!  :-]
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Re: "Game of Death"
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2006, 08:10:39 PM »
The young guy who gets his foot whacked in (Enter the Dragon) was a young "Sammo Hung" <spelling> :P
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