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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2007, 08:13:40 PM »
We could shake the tree and see who else falls off of the "serious discussion" branch. 

You movers and shakers don't forget...gotta keep it light sometimes.
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2007, 08:16:02 PM »
Aloha,

I agree with Sifu Wade.  James, you tend to post things on the caf?© that are not relevant to the subject and martial arts. 


Hey, I'm always on topic...just sometimes I'm the only one who thinks so ;)
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2007, 09:15:11 PM »
Aloha,

I agree with Sifu Wade.  James, you tend to post things on the caf?© that are not relevant to the subject and martial arts. 


Hey, I'm always on topic...just sometimes I'm the only one who thinks so ;)




You're a habitual topic-jumper. :o
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2007, 10:01:13 PM »
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You're a habitual topic-jumper. :o

I'll accept that. Anyway, how about them Yankees?
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2007, 10:17:47 PM »
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You're a habitual topic-jumper. :o

I'll accept that. Anyway, how about them Yankees?


The Yankees are still sick....You cant win them all.
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2007, 11:39:34 PM »
Aloha

I agree, but he tends to be too light a lot of times; then his post to the subject is not relevant. 
     

Obviously, it is the lineage that is the problem.  Now, can we do something about that Sin Bin posting pictures of Bewitched?
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2007, 09:29:12 AM »
For my adult students, I follow the general color system my first Kaj instructor used - Orange, Purple, Blue, Green, Brown, Black.  For kids I have instituted the Yellow Belt prior to the Orange, as on of my instructors used for all his students.

My students all know that rank will come when I feel it is time.  They do not ask for or tell me that they feel they are ready, becuase I am the Sifu and they trust my judegement.  If they do ask, they know that will just slow their progression through the ranks.  I have seen multiple schools of various Arts do all kinds of things when it comes to promotions.  Some even put up a sheet and let students write their name on there when they felt they were ready to test.  Then the instructor would hold a test when there were enough students on there to make some money.  How can we know we are ready for the next belt?  Because we hold some skills or technical knowledge equated with said belt?  There is so much more to the rank than some freakin memorization of techniques.  That is why we rely on those before us to make those decisions, whether it is for Orange Belt or a multi level Black Belt.  It is all just a journey and as long as we train hard and live long enough we will attain whatever rank we want.  If we rush ourselves or our students to each goal, what happens when we run out of those goals?  (speaking of rank goals there of course)

Anyways, just some thoughts.  Good Morniing everyone and I hope you all had a great Halloween.  My kids got TONS of candy - which of course I pulled the dad thing  and "confiscated" a bunch for myself.   ;D
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2007, 11:12:53 AM »
I think we might be getting a little over protective on topics.......this forum is for all to enjoy.......yes there are some goofy posts and yes James does some of them......but .....we have to not take everything so seriously all the time....

I'm not sure if Bewitched pictures were aimed to my post, but if they were to me they were relevant..of course I didn't get to see it.....
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2007, 11:24:52 AM »
Aloha,

I agree with Sifu Wade.  James, you tend to post things on the caf?© that are not relevant to the subject and martial arts. 


Hey, I'm always on topic...just sometimes I'm the only one who thinks so ;)

Hey NYKaju,

I'm just as guilty at times of going off topic, but a long time ago, I was told to keep the off-topic stuff to the cafe ( http://www.kajukenbocafe.com/smf/index.php?board=20.0 ) or the "I digress" forums.  That's not a license to go crazy with the posts in the cafe forum, but a good general rule... pay attention to which forum you are posting in.

As for the topic of ranking and a belt system, I believe there is a strong cultural influence that may be lost in the translation in America.  As Professor Tim pointed out there were no belts used in China in the many places he visited.  In Japan, to the contrary of what is found in China, there is a strong use of belt systems for rank from what I understand.   But rank is a measure more of experience... someone of higher rank just means someone that has walked a path before. 

Now when taken to America, the rank system needs lots of qualifiers... for instance, when I was introduced as a Goju-ryu black belt it was a whole phrase of credentials going something like this... "Wade Yamauchi, black belt under Higaonna Sensei, studied ten years with Hartwig Sensei."  I think this type of introduction is the norm in Japan and Okinawa.  I feel in America, it is often just black belt in something with no regard to who the black belt was under and how long the person studied under their main teacher.  Maybe people just like to keep it short and simple in America, or maybe they just like being vague to not make a big deal out of it.  I don't know, but there certainly seem to be cultural differences.
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2007, 12:58:48 PM »
I understand what you are saying but if we really look at topics, the question here  Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
most of the answers had off shoots of other styles etc....not yes or no to the question, my point is only sometimes the best stuff comes from the start of the conversation....
Some people write goofy stuff just to write some though write goofy funny stuff that has made me laugh out loud.  The forum to me it to communicate receive knowledge and to be entertained...
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2007, 01:19:05 PM »
I think we might be getting a little over protective on topics.......this forum is for all to enjoy ...

True.  However, some topics such as titles and belts recycle too often.  The words are the same, only the authors change.  So, why not make a few "stickies" for such topics and leave the forum open to new discussion.
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2007, 01:22:23 PM »
I think we might be getting a little over protective on topics.......this forum is for all to enjoy ...

True.  However, some topics such as titles and belts recycle too often.  The words are the same, only the authors change.  So, why not make a few "stickies" for such topics and leave the forum open to new discussion.


Instead, can we just write


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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2007, 01:38:16 PM »
You guys leave James alone.  His Mom just forget to give him his  Ritalin for his ADHD and the school bully's were shaking him out of his lunch money on the way to White Tiger Kenpo class to get his blackbelt. He just needs to practice a few more killer knee break moves while he's rolling around at the jujits class with his blue belt on.


Now that's an excellent post right there....
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System?
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2007, 02:07:48 PM »
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Some people write goofy stuff just to write some though write goofy funny stuff that has made me laugh out loud.  The forum to me it to communicate receive knowledge and to be entertained... [/b]

If it means anything, I type the way I speak...so yes, if we were talking about the best way to run a kids program, you could bet Darth Vader would pop up somewhere in the conversation ;D


True.  However, some topics such as titles and belts recycle too often.  The words are the same, only the authors change.  So, why not make a few "stickies" for such topics and leave the forum open to new discussion.


Stickying things as they are discussed doesn't work out too well. Seen it done, and all that happens is those threads become too large to manage and sift through, and forcing people to post new ideas on the same topic in one thread softens the impact their words might have - especially if people don't even read it, because they were tired of reading a 22page long beaten horse of a thread.


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You guys leave James alone.  His Mom just forget to give him his  Ritalin for his ADHD and the school bully's were shaking him out of his lunch money on the way to White Tiger Kenpo class to get his blackbelt. He just needs to practice a few more killer knee break moves while he's rolling around at the jujits class with his blue belt on.

Don't you have some crappling to do?  >:(
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Re: Does Anyone Else Use This Belt Ranking System? -OT
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2007, 03:18:44 PM »

Hey, it's all good as long as it is in moderation, IMHO.  And giving James a bad time is fun and funny  ;D 

I don't know, maybe I'm living in the past but I thought the forums outside the "I digress" section were less tolerant of off topic posts as a general rule.  It seems to me that the off-topic posts are spread out all over now.  I was more just bringing this up than pointing fingers.  I enjoy reading James' posts, some of them are actually on topic too  :P

On a different forum, just as a favor to others, we would put a "-ot" tag at the end of the subject when something went off topic.  Off topic here would be anything not related to Kajukenbo or martial arts (does not apply to the the "I digress" section which can off topic without warning).




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