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Offline Dannytsg

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Kajukenbo and a hello
« on: August 28, 2008, 11:05:59 AM »
Hi, my name is Danny and i am 19 from the UK * Manchester to be exact *

I myself am currently training Muay Thai and have previous experience with martial arts. I started when i was 8 years old studying shotokan karate and then moved onto kickboxing and boxing during my middle school years. 2 years ago i started training MMA at a local MMA gym here in Manchester and i have recently started to seriously focus on training Muay Thai as my stand up and Jiu-Jitsu as my main ground discipline to ensure i grasp to the fullest extents both aspects to combine within my MMA game.

I recently saw the Fight Quest episode on Kajukenbo and after watching it i was very intrigued and started to research into Kajukenbo more in depth. I myself am interested in training in Kajukenbo along side my Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu * MMA collectively * and so have joined this forum to hopefully get the necessary advice and information i need to start on the correct path.

My main questions are as follows:

Are there any Kajukenbo schools located in the UK?

If there are not any schools located in the UK can Kajukenbo be "self taught" to a certain extent * bearing in mind i do have experience with training and competing in Martial arts.

Would you say that training Kajukenbo along side Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu is a good realistic idea for self defence and competitive use * within MMA competition *

Thanks in advance for your advice and i'm off to have a look round the website.
Daniel George
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Currently studying Kajukenbo Original Method
from GM Forbach's WKO DVD set

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Offline rainingclaw

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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 08:32:35 PM »
I to am interested to see what the higher ranking masters say about this question. 

Thanks! :) 
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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 10:24:38 AM »
Kaju mixes well with those tow arts, but are there schools in the UK, there must be....
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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 10:36:01 AM »
Kaju mixes well with those tow arts, but are there schools in the UK, there must be....

The sun never sets on Kajukenbo?
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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 10:38:17 AM »
Are you talking about Alaska? ;D
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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 12:22:14 PM »
 to the best of my knowledge there are no kajukenbo schools here in the uk. but it is true that the sun never sets on kajukenbo
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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 01:15:07 PM »
Anyone can learn the Kajukenbo techniques. They are not hard to learn. The difficulty lies in learning and applying the training methods that make them work.

Kajukenbo is not the ability to get beaten up without complaining, it is the ability to withstand a possible initial assault (psychologically as well as physically) and to respond effectively.

Firstly, Kajukenbo generally believes in contact. I don't believe it is really Kajukenbo if you can do it without contact, Training this method requires a degree of qualified supervision. This correct application of contact is the same as the tempering that transforms "just a piece of steel" into an effective blade that can withstand the demands of the battlefield and that can hold an edge under duress. Too much heat during tempering will cause the blade to be brittle and break, too little will not cause the organic changes necessary for the process to work.

Second are the drills that lead up to sparring.The Rotation lines, Monkey lines, Multiman attacks (Bullring?),etc,  plus all the individual additions made over the years by different schools and teachers that caused the individual expressions to come out (Ch'uan Fa. WHKD, Tum Pai).

If you would like to start a group, you should contact a teacher you could respect (I am reluctant to use the word "legitimate" as it has been misused lately) and see if there is anyone from that group close to you. I know that Kajukenbo has appeared in England before. You could also get a hold of someone on the continent (GM Garcia is active as far north as Paris, WHKD is big in Germany, I have heard of practitioners in Italy as well) and either bring them to you or go to them.

There are no short cuts

Good luck.

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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 01:25:40 PM »
Thank you for the input so far. I realized the fact that Kajukenbo as an art itself relies on what could be consider "hard training" methods compared to other martial arts in the way you learn to deal with the confrontation aspect of reality * as in getting attacked and responding without hesitation * and accept that contact is part of the training * the Muay Thai training uses the same "hard training" method and contact for the purpose of learning *

Sleddog thank you for the explanation and your analogy of the tempering of steel helped to clarify the reason for seeking out expert instruction to ensure the execution of the techniques is correct and at their most effective, something that cannot be learnt without the trained eye of an instructor watching how you perform the techniques.

I would like to look into starting a Kajukenbo group as i think it's no nonsense approach to learning, teaching and most of all fighting/self defense will be very beneficial and appeal to a lot of people within the UK. I will continue to frequent this site as before i start to go down the lines of looking into starting a group i myself would like to know as much about the lineage and heritage of the art before trying to explain it to those less in the know.

Thank you once again.

EDIT: When you refer to starting a Kajukenbo Group i take it you mean firstly learning the necessary skills and achieving my black belt and then going from there. I take it Kajukenbo is not like BJJ for example where once you have a blue belt you can start teaching the skills to new students whilst still advancing your own knowledge further up towards purple, brown then black? Within Kajukenbo you have to have have your black belt to be certified to instruct others right?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2008, 01:48:32 PM by Dannytsg »
Daniel George
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from GM Forbach's WKO DVD set

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Re: Kajukenbo and a hello
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 02:18:39 PM »
Great explanation GM Gelinas...I will be stealing, I mean borrowing your steel analogy.....thanks much
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