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Krav Maga
« on: January 28, 2003, 11:28:26 AM »
Greetings,


 Our school is starting to incorporate a Krav Maga program into our classes.  I was curious to hear everyones opinion on this Self Defense style and if anyone here has any experience in it.  I know it is an Isrealie (spelling) self defense art.  But that's about it. Thanks!

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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2003, 02:05:13 PM »
About 7-8 years ago I did magazine articles on the Israeli martial arts called "Krav Maga" and "Hisardut".  Both appeared to be very realistic self defense systems that emphasized modern street defense, with Hisardut being more of a traditional martial art.  
By that I mean Hisardut was basically a combination of Japanese Kyokushinkai karate, and jujitsu.  They wore traditional gi's had a belt ranking system, and the founder held high ranks in both arts.
I did not see Krav Maga as a martial art at all.  They wore t-shirts and sweat pants.  Really had no traditions, or martial arts roots.  Their founder had some training in judo along with some other non-clasical fighting systems.   It appeared to be designed as a quick course in just street self defense.  
Both arts are probably very effective as self defense systems.  You just have to decide if you are only looking for self defense, or you want the whole physical and spiritual experience that a martial art offers.      
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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2003, 02:13:24 PM »
I do know that several years ago, in New York I believe, a Krav Maga instructor got himself killed trying to disarm a knife wielding attacker.


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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2003, 12:04:19 PM »
Must a system wear an elaborate uniform ?  As the
Japanese absorbed foreign arts, common
undergarments became the basis for gis. As martial
arts pass through Western countries, why it is less
acceptible to use the exercise attire of the host
nations?  

A similar issue is bare-foot training. My school
insists on training without shoes on a wooden
floor.  While I have no complaints, I think this
would be a serious issue if the training surface
were concrete.  10-20 years of inadvertent
heel-pounding on concrete will probably caused a crippled foot. The Japanese barefoot tradition
preserved training mats.  No castle guard walked
and fought in withouth footwear.  Thus, training without
footwear is a training compromise.  Today, we
spend very little of our time without footwear.  While
I agree that one should understand how to defend oneself without footwear, exclusive barefoot training
does not offer training *with* footwear.  Students
are left with little experience in defending themselves
in footwear.  

It's difficult to kick anyone with the
ball of your foot in footwear. Should we change when barefoot traditions meet modern surfaces? On the
side, I run a garage fighting club.  I ask participants
to wear their normal footwear rather than wrestling or kung-fu shoes.  Some guys actually take off their shoes
and fight in bare feet.



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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2003, 07:34:45 PM »
In my opinion kajukenbo has more to offer But here is the history ;D

The founder of Krav Maga,
 Imi Lichtenfeld was born and raised in Bratislava, Czechoslovakia.  A natural athlete, he earned national and international awards in gymnastics, boxing, and wrestling. Influence of Imi's Father However, Imi's greatest influence was his father,Samuel, a police officer and self defense instructor. Samuel started his career as a circus acrobat and wrestler, but later entered the police department and served for 3 decades as Chief Detective Inspector. He became well known for his considerable arrest record, particularly of dangerous criminals. During the 1930s, Imi honed his fighting skills in the streets of Bratislava, protecting himself and his Jewish neighbors from local fascist thugs.  He took part in numerous fights to prevent anti-Semitic groups from terrorizing the Jewish community in the city.  These fights sharpened his awareness of the basic difference between sport and street fighting. It was at this time that the seeds of Krav Maga's principles were planted in his mind. When not on the trail of violent felons, Samuel taught various self defense techniques to the local policemen at "Hercules," the first gym in Bratislava, which he owned.  In his training, Samuel constantly emphasized the need for proper moral conduct when dealing with the public and suspected criminals alike.
 The fledgling Israeli government asked Imi to develop an effective system of self defense and fighting, which later became the Krav Maga system.  The Haganah was eventually incorporated into the Israeli Defense Force, and Imi became the Chief Instructor for the military school for Physical Training and Krav Maga.  In 1978 Imi and several of his students created the Krav Maga Association, a non-profit public benefit organization aimed at promoting the teaching of Krav Maga in Israel and throughout the world.Imi Lichtenfeld died in 1998 at the age of 88.  His funeral was attended by many of the highest-ranking and most important members of the Israeli military. He will be sorely missed. But Imi's legacy lives on. His system of Krav Maga was foundedon moral and human values, emphasizing personal integrity, non-violence, good citizenship, and humble conduct.  These principles have been, and will continue to be, the guiding force for the students of Krav Maga. To date, Krav Maga has been taught to thousands of civilians, law enforcement, and military personnel in Israel, Europe, and the United States. Through his efforts, Imi has saved numerous lives and has helped thousands to "walk in peace."
  
 
 

  
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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2003, 07:46:22 PM »
In respect to footwear in training:  Bare Foot training does teach us proper foot posture.  (Does anyone know the ratio of attacks within the home compared to outside of the home? - I don't)  It does prepare us for defense in places where we would not be inclined to wear shoes - Break a toe from bad posture in the middle of a fight and you might be done.  ( I never wear shoes in my house).  Barefoot training also protects students from training partners who lack control.  I agree that the option of wearing shoes should be given to those who are old enough and understand good posture.  

As a matter of practicality, I think it would be good to occassionally have all your students train in the street clothes they show up in.  It would give them a sense of what is different (tight or restricting jeans and big or heavy shoes), compared to the loose fitting light weight uniforms we train in on a regular basis.   Maybe some of us would rethink the style of clothes we choose if we understood how difficult they could be in confrontational environments.  

Are uniforms necessary?  Maybe not, but it keeps people from showing up in clothes that might be more revealing then I care to see.  (Keeping in mind todays fashions, being what they are).
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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2003, 11:39:25 PM »
I had looked into a Krav Maga Class before going to Sigung Bishop's class.
I had trained with Carl Cestari ( He was recently featured in Black Belt for Authentic Defendu. ) So I do have a decent background in military Hand to hand.

Krav Maga as they were teaching it didn't appeal to me at all. I looked at their book on weapon defense. My personal opinion is those will tactics will get yo killed quick. Their class was more like a cardio kick boxing workout as I observed it. A lot of fluff and attitude.

In training with Carl, he basically taught us how to dismember an assailant with extreme prejudice. ( He is one of THE toughest men on earth that I've ever met, I don't recommend anyone ever messing with him. Tank Abbot wouldn't last 1 second. )

KaJuKenBo is already combat capable, I don't see any reason to incorporate Krav Maga into it. Besides when you get right down to it. It is you that determines your own survival in self defense, not necessarily  the art that you study.

On footwear, I prefer training in wrestling boots, I sweat a lot and don't like to slip and fall if I lose traction.
( It has happened to me 5 time before when I train barefoot. So like pavlov's dog or shock therapy, I learned something from those experiences.) I train better in shoes. I also wear shoes even in my room at times. So unless I'm in the shower or sleeping, I'm usually wearing. So I know how to deal with the added traction, and the thickness shoe leather adds to my footwork.

Mell, If your instructor wants to add Krav Maga to class that is fine, If you want to try it out, Cool too ! It just wasn't my cup of tea. Neither was Carl's instruction ( They make great tigers ! But lousy dragons ! [ lack of control/ temper] ). I don't feel the need to turn everyone into a grease spot.

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Re: Krav Maga
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2003, 07:31:13 PM »
I agree that I don't see the need to add it to our current training curriculum.  (We are not looking to add it to our school)
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